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The Civil Rights Act doesn't prohibit discrimination as a blanket prohibition; it prohibits discrimination (against certain classes) by businesses that are "places of public accommodation," which includes most places that sell food. A bakery would probably fall under the law; a hardware store quite likely wouldn't.

Extra credit for "I'll bite" - You nailed it! (Hardware pun intended)
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... the KKK is a hate group, and is viewed as such by the federal government.
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Says who?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_group

"The FBI does not publish a list of hate groups, and "[I]nvestigations are conducted only when a threat or advocacy of force is made; when the group has the apparent ability to carry out the proclaimed act; and when the act would constitute a potential violation of federal law."
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On Sep 16, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
... the KKK is a hate group, and is viewed as such by the federal government.
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Says who?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_group

"The FBI does not publish a list of hate groups, and "[I]nvestigations are conducted only when a threat or advocacy of force is made; when the group has the apparent ability to carry out the proclaimed act; and when the act would constitute a potential violation of federal law."

But it does describe the KKK as a group known for committng hate crimes.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate......e_crimes

Anyway, of course, the FBI is not the whole federal government and certainly I do not know what Bob meant exactly.
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... and certainly I do not know what Bob meant exactly.


That's why I asked. I'm just not gonna hold my breath.
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On Sep 16, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
... the KKK is a hate group, and is viewed as such by the federal government.
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Says who?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_group

"The FBI does not publish a list of hate groups, and "[I]nvestigations are conducted only when a threat or advocacy of force is made; when the group has the apparent ability to carry out the proclaimed act; and when the act would constitute a potential violation of federal law."

So it seems the FBI may not PUBLISH a LIST of hate groups, but it most certainly has publicly LISTED the KKK among hate groups at times.

https://vault.fbi.gov/cointel-pro/White%......01-of-14

"investigation of Ku Klux Klan and other Hate Groups" it says early on.
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You're a funny guy Balducci. I also notice that early on they list the date of publication as 5/11/78. I wonder what the FBI thought of gay groups back then?
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You're a funny guy Balducci. I also notice that early on they list the date of publication as 5/11/78. I wonder what the FBI thought of gay groups back then?



It's hardly a secret the FBI happily persecuted any gays who did not hold the position of Director of the FBI.
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You're a funny guy Balducci. I also notice that early on they list the date of publication as 5/11/78. I wonder what the FBI thought of gay groups back then?

The facts are that the FBI has explicitly described the KKK as a hate group in the past, and clearly still associates it with hate groups today.

What I think is funny (sad, really) is the depths to which you are sinking to in this thread. I think when someone has to start defending the KKK to make a case, one should concede defeat.
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Or when one has to resort to arbitrary distinctions. As has been acknowledged, the KKK has been held by SCOTUS to be entitled to constitutional protections.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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You're a funny guy Balducci. I also notice that early on they list the date of publication as 5/11/78. I wonder what the FBI thought of gay groups back then?



It's hardly a secret the FBI happily persecuted any gays who did not hold the position of Director of the FBI.

Zing!
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Or when one has to resort to arbitrary distinctions. As has been acknowledged, the KKK has been held by SCOTUS to be entitled to constitutional protections.

Keep up. I was only replying to distinctions others introduced. (I never claimed the KKK was not entitled to constitutional protections etc. That's for you U.S. citizens to decide.)

Unless you were referring to your own distinction between a hardware store and a bakery?
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Keep up. The distinction that I brought up is enshrined in federal law.
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Fine, but what does that have to do with anything I posted? I just commented on Bob and Rockwall's comments on the KKK being recognized (or not) as a hate group.
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Or when one has to resort to arbitrary distinctions. As has been acknowledged, the KKK has been held by SCOTUS to be entitled to constitutional protections.


And in Skokie it was found that the American Nazi party, too, was entitled to constitutional protections, EVEN THOUGH they are also a hate group.

But membership in either doesn't make one a member of a constitutionally protected or suspect class, as you well know. I'm sure that Rockwall has no idea what I'm talking about, but I'm sure you appreciate why hate groups and the LGBT community are not even remotely comparable.
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To be fair to Lobo, he was only using the KKK as an example, a foil to my comments. He probably could pick other examples less contentious legally, but that would still make his point. And I would still reply the same way.

And in the same way, it may be that legally I picked a bad example with hardware store. But again the point still holds. I don't think that I should have to submit to a thought purity test before I purchase something.
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The hardware store wasn't a bad example; it just provided me an opportunity for an aside. Most people think that "businesses" can't discriminate, as a blanket statement. The fact is, it's only certain types of businesses that can't discriminate (against certain types of people). If you own the sandwich shop, you can't (legally) refuse to serve people on the basis of race; if they own the store next door that sells Popsicle stick sculptures, they can refuse to serve you on the basis of your race.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Now that's a piece of information that I am pretty shocked to learn. Even for a protected class?
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You're a funny guy Balducci. I also notice that early on they list the date of publication as 5/11/78. I wonder what the FBI thought of gay groups back then?

The facts are that the FBI has explicitly described the KKK as a hate group in the past, and clearly still associates it with hate groups today.

What I think is funny (sad, really) is the depths to which you are sinking to in this thread. I think when someone has to start defending the KKK to make a case, one should concede defeat.


For a smart guy, you'd think you'd be able to tell the difference between defending a particular group and asking questions about supposed facts by someone whos known to make things up as he goes along. Bob's entire argument was based on the supposed 'fact' that the government recognizes the KKK as a hate group. Apparently, (as Bob has been unable to provide support for his 'assumption'), it's not true. But coming from Bob, that's not surprising.
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Now that's a piece of information that I am pretty shocked to learn. Even for a protected class?



States may enact (any many have) laws that offer their citizens more protections than the federal law does, but for the Civil Rights Act, yes, even for protected classes. The consumer protection apply to businesses that are "places of public accommodation." That category covers most businesses, but not all.
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Could you please go more into what the definition of "public accomodation" includes and excludes?
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