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Dr_Bagelman Regular user Among the Dead 119 Posts |
Hey guys. We're on deployment, working the ship's talent show.
I'm doing magic shows on the flight deck of the ship, but I'm surrounded on four sides like the globe theater. People come in from backstage and sit mostly in front, but a few people stay behind inside/on top of the hangar. We want to do a production of a person, say with cardboard boxes or something, but can't figure out what kind of production to do. Ideas? I'm sending a rough map of what we have to work with. the orange dots are people. We're hoping to pull this off with cardboard boxes/other crap found laying around a ship. As you can see I can probably hide someone under the table (for the entire talent show would be rough) or pull someone out of the flight deck (everyone would see) or the OOD shack (how to?). Bonus points if you know how to ditch me ("I forgot the linking rings." "Are you serious?" "Can you do the box trick without me?"), then reappear me. I know some basic assistant production tricks, like arabian tent and the one with the box that's open in the back, but none of these seem like they'll work surrounded. We basically have to be set up ahead of time or set up at a moment's notice, both of which might not be favorable underway. Click here to view attached image.
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
To simplify things, you may just want to accept the fact that some of the spectators will be "in the know", and concentrate on the effect it has on the rest. To those in the back, it can be played as a sort of joke, but to those in front, it could have an entirely different effect.
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Dr_Bagelman Regular user Among the Dead 119 Posts |
That's something we've considered, but there's no seating, people mill around, and sailors gossip. If you know a good way to let those people be "in the know" without arranging them ahead of time, do tell.
Posted: Sep 22, 2015 04:07 pm Looking at plans, I see things like New Wave Modern Cabinet and Bryce's Screen Illusion, but I can't find pdf's and don't want to wait for shipping (plus you know how it is, sometimes you buy an effect and it turns out you can't use it). Does anyone know where to buy pdf plans?
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
No plans available for Bryce's Screen, as they most would make it and not buy the trick.
Only book on cardboard illusions is Victory Carton Illusions by U.F. Grant. http://www.lybrary.com/victory-carton-illusions-p-312.html I don't know why for the show, why you cannot request no personnel at the sides and rear of you performing area. |
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
Paul Osborne sells plans for Bryce's Screens, and other e-plans. (I don't know if Paul got permission from Abbott's Magic who builds Bryce's Screens... I just know that he drew up plans and sells them.)
http://hamiltonholtinc.stores.yahoo.net/plans1.html Don't forget that Creative Magic made "B Screens" (with permission from the illusion's inventor... documented in the instructions that come with the illusion), which is an ultra portable version of Bryce's Screens because it fits in a duffel bag. You'll have to buy this illusion used, because the company is no longer in business. I own one but I'm not selling it. http://www.creativemagic.net/stage/bscreens.htm Their version of the human sized square circle might work as well, called "Cube Squared." http://www.creativemagic.net/stage/cubesquared.htm Again, I own one but I'm not selling it. One of the problems you're going to have with this type of show (working surrounded) is getting the person in place before they are produced. You're best to do that somewhere else and wheel the prop in to the performance area (this is what I have to do with my Santa production in some venues, for example). Unless you can box in your backstage area with curtains on 4 sides so that no one can see what's going on as the person is put in place. (I hope I'm not tipping too much.) If you're willing to use something bigger on wheels, then consider a Palanquin or a Book of Life (in addition to the Modern Cabinet). Also, if some spectators are above you as well as surrounding you, that adds another consideration as well. I've known performers who worked in malls, with people looking down on their illusions (upper decks in the mall), as well as working surrounded. So, they had to put a top on their cloth ring for the sub trunk, for example. Bryce's Screens wouldn't really work if people are looking down from above on the performance (plus like I said, you have the issue of getting them in place). One illusion book in regards to working surrounded is called: "Illusions in the Round" by Don Arthur. It might be out of print, and you might have to track down a used copy. This was written by a perform who used to do illusions for the circus. - Donald
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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Dr_Bagelman Regular user Among the Dead 119 Posts |
I've managed to get a confederate Chief to secure that part of the missile deck, and I'll have to tip off the aft lookout, but aerial views are no longer an issue. I think we're going with a Bryce's screen, as we have a month to prepare and mail-orders take a month to arrive. We don't have a guaranteed source of PVC, so cardboard is going to be our best option. This provides oodles of comedy, so I can play it up like "THE CURTAINS OF SATAN!!" "It's pronounced Sateen!" (reveal) "Is that what you stayed up every night this week working on? It looks like you pulled it out of the garbage!"
Don, I agree. The biggest hurdle now is either securing first performance so our assistant doesn't die from standing in a box on the flight deck in the sun for over an hour, or getting him loaded, then somehow getting the screen onto the flight deck (the surface of which is like metal rhino-lining) without tipping the audience. Thoughts on that?
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
Bryce's Screens aren't really meant to be dragged across a deck / stage / performing area with a person in there. If you lift the screens at all while moving them, the audience will see feet. And you can't fold them flat immediately before performing, as you normally might fold screens to move them around, so again you hint that you are going to make someone appear / something is fishy.
When you think about it, moving them out on a platform dolly (or some sort of wheeled base) might work, but you face the challenge of unloading them from the dolly and onto the deck. The screens are supposed to look and act like backdrop screens used for your show, and you're removing that normal-ness from them. This was something interesting I saw at one time, related to moving around a set of B Screens. This is something that Dan Wolfe from Smoky Mountain Magic built for another illusionist. I'm unfamiliar with the other illusion he's referring to from Jim Steinmeyer, because I don't have that book. But it uses B Screens along with a base and top. https://www.facebook.com/255479071233527......&theater BTW, you've said that this is on a flight deck, so I assume that's outside on a ship. Won't you also have wind to contend with? That would also be another reason that Screens (or anything light) will be difficult to use in that situation. - Donald P.S. I prefer to go by Donald, and not Don. Thanks.
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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Dr_Bagelman Regular user Among the Dead 119 Posts |
Donald,
I figured as much. I've been covering up any sort of discrepancy in our show with comedy rather well up until this point, and we wouldn't take the screen off the dolly with the load in place, it's low to the ground. I feel like if I could come up with some sort of joke related to the dolly, or perhaps another trick involving the dolly, we'd be solid. Then again, this link you sent me almost fits the bill completely (took a minute to load out here). It looks like it's all part of the trick, and eliminates the need to secure the missile deck. I think I'm going to ask some engineers for a bit of assistance here.
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
Another thought is an illusion like "Small Packages" by Jim Steinmeyer (from his book "Device and Illusion"), because that is built to look like boxes on a platform dolly.
http://jimsteinmeyer.com/creations/ Here are a couple of threads discussing it. http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=7 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=7 - Donald
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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Dr_Bagelman Regular user Among the Dead 119 Posts |
Hmmm... the video and gif links seem to be broken except for the youtube, which I can barely support on this bandwidth out here.
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
I tried to find a photo of the "Small Packages" illusion, but couldn't find it quickly. Maybe someone else knows of a link.
I've seen it in the "Device and Illusion" book, that's why I was aware of it. In the Andrew Evans video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7r_T2_1KUI ) mentioned on that one thread, he performs it starting at about the 1min 48sec mark. Here's a link that starts specifically at that spot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7r_T2_1KUI&t=1m48s - Donald
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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Dr_Bagelman Regular user Among the Dead 119 Posts |
All right, I just talked to the engineers and they told me while they could help me build a frame for the b-screen they'd get in trouble because the parts are already claimed for something else. While that's out, I might be able to put it on a pallette and use a palette jack hand-truck to move it out, but I'd need an excuse to have it on it... maybe we say we had to secure it to the palette so that it wouldn't blow away? thus addressing the wind issue you brought up. I could have a navy-issue sheet covering it before the start so the assistant can relax and sit down inside without tipping anyone off, and one of the magicians can guard it until the start.
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john wills Special user 939 Posts |
I would advice the "Small Packages" Illusion too. It's great and will work in almost any situation.
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Dr_Bagelman Regular user Among the Dead 119 Posts |
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On Sep 23, 2015, Bill Hegbli wrote: This book looks awesome.
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
Because you're looking for something very lightweight, homemade, and quickly built from inexpensive materials, I'm surprised that Jim Gerrish hasn't come on this thread yet to promote his PVC Pipe Illusion Plans (downloads of individual plans or books) that they sell through his website. You'll find them here:
http://www.magicnook.com/ - Donald
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Dr_Bagelman Regular user Among the Dead 119 Posts |
LOL speaking of Jim, my old friend Joe "DUH" Clown just bought me a copy of it last night and emailed it to me.
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
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On Sep 23, 2015, Dr_Bagelman wrote: Interesting. You have to be careful that you didn't get a duplicate copy of a file that someone else purchased for themselves (keep one copy of the PDF, and then share the same file with a friend without actually purchasing a second copy), because that is often a violation of the terms of the sale / illegal / unethical. File sharing of purchased PDFs (books, plans, etc.) is generally frowned upon. If they paid on your behalf, but you directly did the download from the site, then that's different. But maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are saying. (Someone once tried to give me a "gift" copy of a Jim Snack book in PDF form, because their purchase included a hard copy and a PDF copy of the same item, but I had to politely refuse. Only Jim Snack himself is able to share that file with me. Both hard copy and PDF copy were meant for the original purchaser only.) - Donald P.S. FYI, the Magic Nook sells several plans and several books about PVC Pipe Illusions. Not just one book.
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Dr_Bagelman Regular user Among the Dead 119 Posts |
Donald
I can assure you that DUH is above reproach and completely ethical, but had better access to the internet than I did at the time to find it... and didn't just blow his fun-money on an order of Scotch&Soda+DVD and a bullet catch trick (who, me? yeah...) Still, now I feel like I'm throwing him under a bus. Like I said, underway my bandwidth is terrible. I can barely load youtube videos over 2 minutes in length, and even then it takes about 30 minutes to buffer (so watching effects online pretty much has to wait until I get home). I'm glad this site has such a low footprint, otherwise I wouldn't be hanging out on it so much. Fortunately a little pdf here and there usually can be downloaded after a few failed attempts. Most of them I have to get on kindle, then wait until I'm in port with wi-fi in some bar/cafe for it to sync with my kindle... like a J.B. Bobo book I ordered over a month ago... Anyway, I also managed get more info on Victory Cartons, but it seems to be one I already know from my Mark Wilson book (you know, the one with 2 big boxes, can't say too much more), which would be impossible to pull off surrounded. Does the U.F. Grant one have more effects in it? Also I just got Magic Nook to load and HOLY CRAP JIM IS GETTING SO MUCH OF MY MONEY when I get paid again. PS I looked at his PVC collection, and I have book 1... I see now that book 2 has a Square-square. very interested...
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jeffl Regular user 109 Posts |
Donald, I found a link to a picture but it may not be as "descriptive" as the one I think we were both thinking of...
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Dr_Bagelman Regular user Among the Dead 119 Posts |
I'd tried loading that earlier but it didn't work, but this time the picture came up. Is that it? Holy cow, that looks super cool. It looks like a care package.
So.... can I buy the plans for it somewhere?
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