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On Oct 16, 2015, Slim King wrote:
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So to be clear in Slimtopia experience counts for NOTHING. A 20 year old performer is just as good as a performer with 30 years experience. A doctor who is fresh out of college is just as good as one with thousands of operations behind him. A singer who is just starting is as good as one with experience.

You must have hit your head several times rolling on the floor lauhing. The concept that experience is of no consequence is ridiculous. Probably breaks at lay l least 4 of your 10 commandments of logic.

Why not just make peole retire at 55?

Your STRAW MAN arguments thrill me to no end. It's just painfully obvious that violating the 10 commandments of logic is all you have left Smile Ad Hominem attacks and such is all you have left once confronted with the facts.
ROTFLMAO ...BTW... I'm not the one attacking

The money taken for retirement has been used for other things... The TRUST FUND was raided and that's the first domino that fell ... Even Bob has to work even though he's old enough to retire. He said so here.


What are the 10 commandments of logic? What is a straw man argument and how did I use one? What is an ad hominem attack and how did it apply to anything I said. Try answering without using Google. You use loss of terms you have no clue what they mean.
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On Oct 15, 2015, Slim King wrote:
There are MILLIONS of college kids just graduating that can easily perform many high demanding jobs that older people are hoarding.

No, there aren't.

I'm not even close to 62, but no youngster could fill any job that I do, and most of what I have done:
  • Teaching upper division university mathematics
  • Teaching financial mathematics and financial modeling
  • Teaching accounting
  • Consulting in risk management
  • Teaching review courses for the CFA exams
  • Designing EFP warheads
  • Analyzing mortgage-backed securities
  • And so on


But you were the youngster who went on to do the job you do .

And it isn't a case of all 62 year olds disappearing overnight to be replaced by graduates, so youngsters get the chance to learn from those around them.

But the underlying point is that, because people are living longer and, because of poor planning, we have a whole bunch of folk who can't afford to retire. In fact I think in the UK it feels like most people feel they'll have to work until they're 75 !!

One other thing. I'm 57 and work for a large company. I'm very experienced and good at what I do but...I'm knackered...if I could afford to go I'd go..and let somebody with a but more energy take over. I've seen other people around me who are much worse and wander through the day zombie like...There's a limit to how long you can do a highly demanding job.
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... because of poor planning...


No, because of very good planning. The planning of robbery and exploitation. The planning that goes on every minute to maximize profits at the expense of working people.

We now return to our regularly scheduled program.
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The government promised we could RETIRE if we paid into their system for 46 years ... Which I have... Now they have moved the goal posts. They claim RETIRE doesn't mean RETIRE and they have convinced simple minded people to follow their lead. They have stolen the money and spent it on their own friends or projects or salted it away in some Swiss Bank Account. It's NOT a retirement fund if no one can RETIRE on it.

The government needs to double the retirement allocations, medicare, medicade, and all the bells and whistles for those who paid in for 46 years and are now 62 and ready to retire. This in turn will open up millions of jobs for others to fill. Instead of dishing out the cash to welfare, food stamps, and unemployment benefits, more Americans will be working while the older ones can retire as promised!

Take the free money from those who have never had a job (and give them an opportunity to work) and give it to those who have worked their entire lives. Just makes sense....
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The government promised we could RETIRE if we paid into their system for 46 years ... Which I have... Now they have moved the goal posts. They claim RETIRE doesn't mean RETIRE and they have convinced simple minded people to follow their lead. They have stolen the money and spent it on their own friends or projects or salted it away in some Swiss Bank Account. It's NOT a retirement fund if no one can RETIRE on it.

The government needs to double the retirement allocations, medicare, medicade, and all the bells and whistles for those who paid in for 46 years and are now 62 and ready to retire. This in turn will open up millions of jobs for others to fill. Instead of dishing out the cash to welfare, food stamps, and unemployment benefits, more Americans will be working while the older ones can retire as promised!

Take the free money from those who have never had a job (and give them an opportunity to work) and give it to those who have worked their entire lives. Just makes sense....

Brilliant! The democrats have been trying to expand social security for decades! Now if you can just convince some of the republicans in congress to go along with the idea.

Aren't many of them past the age of retirement as well?
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I agree, but instead of the current disaster of a medical plan, we should have simply expanded medicare and medicare and beefed up retirement. BTW .. The left wing and the right wing are both on the same bird.
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On Oct 15, 2015, S2000magician wrote:
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There are MILLIONS of college kids just graduating that can easily perform many high demanding jobs that older people are hoarding.

No, there aren't.

I'm not even close to 62, but no youngster could fill any job that I do, and most of what I have done:
  • Teaching upper division university mathematics
  • Teaching financial mathematics and financial modeling
  • Teaching accounting
  • Consulting in risk management
  • Teaching review courses for the CFA exams
  • Designing EFP warheads
  • Analyzing mortgage-backed securities
  • And so on

ROTFLMAO .......
IF YOU CAN ADD, THEN IT IS OBVIOUS THAT WHEN SOMEONE LEAVES THE WORKFORCE THEY MAKE ROOM FOR SOMEONE TO ENTER THE WORKFORCE.

You are so childlike in your naïveté.

First, you said that a youngster can do a job that I vacate.

Sheer stupidity.

Now you say that it is obvious that when someone leaves they make room for someone (else) to enter it.

Sheer stupidity.

And you cannot seem to figure out the meaning of what I wrote.

Sheer . . . well . . . you get the idea.



So why couldn't a 'youngster' do any of those jobs. I don't think they appear to require some sort of genius that is acquired in later years. Looks like math and accounting skills to me. Everyone is replaceable.
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I agree, but instead of the current disaster of a medical plan, we should have simply expanded medicare and medicare and beefed up retirement. BTW .. The left wing and the right wing are both on the same bird.

The difference being when they both flap on a bird, the bird flies.
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Exactly ... That's why someone needs to make America great again... All this flapping and no action. You will some day realize that the powers that be don't want it to work any better than it does now.... You must be dependent on them ... If you have wealth, you wouldn't be.
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Exactly ... That's why someone needs to make America great again... All this flapping and no action. You will some day realize that the powers that be don't want it to work any better than it does now.... You must be dependent on them ... If you have wealth, you wouldn't be.

David Brin, a sci-fi writer had a character in one of his books mention that one of the things that helped humanity turn itself around and reach the stars was, when they invented an accurate mental test for psychopathy, they started administering it to every politician, and kicked out any who tested positive.

I think there's a similar test in existance today, the difference being you can't be a CEO if you test negative. :p
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Getting a bit political, aren't we?
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On Oct 17, 2015, The Hermit wrote:
So why couldn't a 'youngster' do any of those jobs. I don't think they appear to require some sort of genius that is acquired in later years.

What they require is not genius, but experience, which is acquired over years.

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Looks like math and accounting skills to me.

And teaching skills, which generally come with experience, which generally takes time.

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Everyone is replaceable.

This may or may not be true - probably not - but, in either case, isn't germane: I didn't say that I'm irreplaceable; I said that I couldn't be replaced by a youngster.
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So why couldn't a 'youngster' do any of those jobs. I don't think they appear to require some sort of genius that is acquired in later years.

What they require is not genius, but experience, which is acquired over years.

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On Oct 17, 2015, The Hermit wrote:
Looks like math and accounting skills to me.

And teaching skills, which generally come with experience, which generally takes time.

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Everyone is replaceable.

This may or may not be true - probably not - but, in either case, isn't germane: I didn't say that I'm irreplaceable; I said that I couldn't be replaced by a youngster.



My point is that any one job could be done by a youngster. You may have a lot of valuable experience from doing all those jobs, but a youngster could do any one of them. Older people have more experience and sometimes that translates into wisdom or insight, other times, its just experience.
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So why couldn't a 'youngster' do any of those jobs. I don't think they appear to require some sort of genius that is acquired in later years.

What they require is not genius, but experience, which is acquired over years.

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On Oct 17, 2015, The Hermit wrote:
Looks like math and accounting skills to me.

And teaching skills, which generally come with experience, which generally takes time.

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On Oct 17, 2015, The Hermit wrote:
Everyone is replaceable.

This may or may not be true - probably not - but, in either case, isn't germane: I didn't say that I'm irreplaceable; I said that I couldn't be replaced by a youngster.

My point is that any one job could be done by a youngster.

I understood your point.

I simply disagree with it.
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On Oct 17, 2015, The Hermit wrote:
So why couldn't a 'youngster' do any of those jobs. I don't think they appear to require some sort of genius that is acquired in later years.

What they require is not genius, but experience, which is acquired over years.

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On Oct 17, 2015, The Hermit wrote:
Looks like math and accounting skills to me.

And teaching skills, which generally come with experience, which generally takes time.

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On Oct 17, 2015, The Hermit wrote:
Everyone is replaceable.

This may or may not be true - probably not - but, in either case, isn't germane: I didn't say that I'm irreplaceable; I said that I couldn't be replaced by a youngster.

My point is that any one job could be done by a youngster.

I understood your point.

I simply disagree with it.

On the flip side, I've worked with countless people over the years who have had over ten/ twenty/ thirty years more experience than myself, (On a sliding scale) though not so much now that I'm into my fifties. Most were decidedly average, some OK, and some good. The remainder were shocking.
All that being said, I did learn a lot from; the average, OK, good, and shocking.
Experience and inability is nigh on useless, lest you wish people to learn from your shortcomings.
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I don't know why we bother correcting Slim's pathological misstatements. Maybe it's just in the hopes of stemming the tide of disinformation he habitually parrots in his various threads. Anyway, here we go again (sigh):


"[S]omeone got stingy with the TRILLIONS of dollars in the Social Security pot. They stole it or spread it around to places it was never intended for."

"They have stolen the money and spent it on their own friends or projects or salted it away in some Swiss Bank Account."

Complete fiction. There ZERO EVIDENCE, let alone credible evidence, of a SINGLE INSTANCE in the eighty-year history of the Social Security program of any theft from the Social Security reserves or trust fund or of a misappropriation or misapplication of those funds. ZERO. Never happened.


If Slim is at all interested in facts and reality, he can easily and quickly educate himself about the factors that produced concerns in the late 1970s about the solvency of the Social Security fund and resulted in 1983 amendments to the Social Security Act (which merely enacted a 6-month delay in cost-of-living adjustments and increased FICA tax rates between 1984 and 1990). Hints: a period of prolonged economic “stagflation” during the Carter administration that came on the heels of a 20% increase in Social Security benefits enacted by Congress in 1972, a technical error in Congress's 1972 addition of annual automatic cost-of-living adjustments to benefits that double-compensated for inflation (corrected by a 1977 amendment), expansions of the program in the 1950s and 1960s to add survivor and dependent benefits and include many categories of workers who previously had been excluded from coverage and benefits, and the sharply increased demands on the benefits pool once the phase-in period of the Social Security program of the 50s and 60s had ended and large swaths of WWII era citizenry reached their sixties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of......d_States


"As a result . . . ."

The thing Slim claim happened never happened (see above), so it cannot have produced a result.


"[T]hey have lowered the amount of money a retired person can get."

Another utter fabrication. Since the inception of the Social Security program, monthly benefits have only INCREASED or, in a handful of instances when an upward cost-of-living adjustment (COLA) wasn’t warranted by inflation, remained at then-current levels.


"Older Americans CAN’T retire as promised."

"The government promised we could RETIRE if we paid into their system for 46 years"

Again, Slim, NO SUCH PROMISE WAS EVER MADE. The government NEVER PROMISED that the benefits former wage earners would receive from Social Security would be sufficient to allow them to "retire" or otherwise permit them to maintain the lifestyle to which they were accustomed while working. (Slim first fabricated this non-existent "promise" in another thread he started about retirement where he claimed that IRA's were a "scam" and whined that no one told him he could direct his IRA into investments other than the stock market.)

The Social Security program was set up as a group old-age INSURANCE program that would pay old-age BENEFITS. In fact, it was initially titled “Social Insurance,” a kind of forced savings plan that would pay benefits to wage earners once they reached a certain age and were deemed unable to continue working. The program was designed to insure against rampant utter destitution amongst aging citizens as had occurred following the Great Depression, by paying old-age benefits sufficient for basic subsistence.

The Social Security program was NEVER intended, promoted or “promised” to be a government-administered RETIREMENT program that would pay all or a majority of a worker’s former wage or pay for older Americans to retire, in style or otherwise. There were advocates for such programs, but they were beaten back by conservatives who considered them too costly and socialistic. The compromise ultimately put forth by FDR was the Social Security Act of 1935: a U.S. Government "old-age benefit plan" funded by matching employer-employee contributions, paid into an interest-bearing "Old-Age Reserve fund in the United States Treasury."

And what were wage earners actually promised under the program? This: "What you get from the Government plan will always be more than you paid in [Social Security payroll] taxes and usually more than you can get for yourself by putting away the same amount of money each week in some other way."

THAT "promise" and the other quoted language comes straight from The 1936 Government Pamphlet on Social Security that Slim linked to and falsely cited for the proposition that the government "promised" that Social Security would enable him to retire and yet maintain his and his family's lifestyle for the rest of his years on this planet and beyond. The promises actually made by the government pertaining to the Social Security program were modest and have been kept, in every instance.

In sum, every "fact" about the Social Security program put forth by Slim is an utter fabrication. Made up. A lie. Misinformation. Disinformation. Long-discredited myths routinely peddled by those who want to dismantle Social Security or privatize it. Slim, of course, uncritically parrots these hackneyed fictions and then erects his simplistic, fallacious proposition on them. No, Slim, each early retirement would not create a job for a youngster just entering the work force. Regardless, no one is being prevented from retiring by any broken promise of the government pertaining to the Social Security program. Nor is anyone being prevented from retiring due to any theft, misappropriation, or misapplication of funds from the Social Security trust fund. If you have a shred of credible evidence to indicate otherwise, share it now or shut up and go away already.

Geez.
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In sum, every "fact" about the Social Security program put forth by Slim is an utter fabrication. Made up. A lie. Misinformation. Disinformation. Long-discredited myths routinely peddled by those who want to dismantle Social Security or privatize it.

Color me shocked.

However, there's hope: Slim avered that he admits his mistakes and moves on. So we can fully expect him to post here again, hat in hand, soggy with contrition, admitting that what he posted were lies, and promising to mend his ways.

I wait with bated breath.
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Don't wait too long. If Slim replies it will be nonsensical rambling in all caps and lots of dancing emoticons. I long longer reply to any of his posts, unless he sets up too good of a straight line...
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ROTFLMAO!!! ... The government has spent $17 trillion they don't have and you think the didn't sneak a DIME from the overflowing Social Security RETIREMENT funds ... ???? Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile :big dance
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