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It seems that the rules governing unsportsmanlike conduct should apply here.
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Bob, rules about unsportsmanlike conduct in baseball amount to something like this: don't call the umpire a "mother-f-----".

I have always admired you, but you are naive about baseball.
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On Oct 13, 2015, stoneunhinged wrote:

And the rules shouldn't allow it, but they do.



I wouldn't say that the rules allow it. I think it might be more accurate to say that the rules do not explicitly prohibit it.

In like manner, I do not think that the rules explicitly prohibit one from hitting a player over the head with a bat, but I would certainly NOT say that the rules "allow" it.
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On Oct 13, 2015, stoneunhinged wrote:

And the rules shouldn't allow it, but they do.



I wouldn't say that the rules allow it. I think it might be more accurate to say that the rules do not explicitly prohibit it.

In like manner, I do not think that the rules explicitly prohibit one from hitting a player over the head with a bat, but I would certainly NOT say that the rules "allow" it.


Right.

Which thread is this? The alternative medicine thread?
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Which thread is this? The alternative medicine thread?


I hope not. I thought I got out of that one.
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Which thread is this? The alternative medicine thread?


I hope not. I thought I got out of that one.


LOL!

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Bob, rules about unsportsmanlike conduct in baseball amount to something like this: don't call the umpire a "mother-f-----".

I have always admired you, but you are naive about baseball.


I don't think I'm that naive, really. Smile But I believe that even under video replay rules, it is not permissible to review a neighborhood play. In the present case, it was ruled that the neighborhood rule didn't apply because of the unlikelihood of the double play being successful and NOT because Tejada had not touched the base:

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The slide by Utley and the subsequent review that overturned the call have been the subject of controversy. Although reviewing a neighborhood play is not allowed, this play was allowed to be reviewed because, according to an MLB spokesperson, it was reviewed under the auspices of a force play, not that of a neighborhood play. Because the odds of successfully turning a double play were deemed low, the neighborhood play did not apply, and so the play could only be viewed as an attempted force-out at second. This is a reviewable play and provided the basis for the call's overturning. The following day Joe Torre, the MLB Executive Vice President for Baseball Operations, suspended Utley from games 3 and 4 of the series, and indicated that discussions with the Player's Union concerning protecting middle infielders had been ongoing over the past year, and will continue.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhood_play

The rationale of the neighborhood play is a good one, as it is designed to protect infielders in the very situation which occurred in the Mets/Dodgers game. But it seems to me that a bit of sophistry was used here to justify the review.
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I don't think I'm that naive, really....


;)

What's most interesting about the play is that most of us--maybe,in fact, ALL of us--think that there was something "unjust" about it, so we wish that there was an official MLB rule against it. But there isn't.

It's very interesting to me because it's kind of a lesson for how all of us see the world. We think there should be a rule (or law) against things we find to be unjust, whether there is a rule or not. We tend to believe in something like "natural law", regardless of what we claim to believe in.

Let me tell y'all something I find incredibly ironic. I'm sitting in my office, and a woman is waiting near the restroom, because it's occupied. She happens to be a specialist in gender studies, and is rather radical about it. Yet there are two restrooms, identical (each have a single toilet and sink), and she is nevertheless waiting. Why? Because, in spite of her radicalism, she won't go into the room that has the little picture of a man next to the door. She is obeying the unwritten rule that says you can't go into a men's room if you're not a man, even though she doesn't even believe in the natural distinction between men and women, and would get into a huge intellectual fight with anyone who says the distinction is natural. It's rather bizarre.

So who is naive? Me? The woman? Bob? The MLB? The American people? Proponents of "natural law"?
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She actually submitted her bathroom policy in lieu of a Ph.D. Dissertation, and was immediately approved by the doctoral committee.
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Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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It's very interesting to me because it's kind of a lesson for how all of us see the world. We think there should be a rule (or law) against things we find to be unjust, whether there is a rule or not. We tend to believe in something like "natural law", regardless of what we claim to believe in.


Sharp observation, Stone. I think I might put it a little differently: We think things we find to be unjust should not be permissible, whether there is a rule/law against it or not.

In certain respects, I see this as the basis for Anglo-american common law, which I think is grounded in fairness. By contrast, under civil law, anything not prohibited is allowed.

So, yes, there are underlying world views that shape our thoughts on this play. And, while not always giving rise to clearcut answers in all cases, I prefer a world grounded in "fairness."
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