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ferrismagic
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Have a look and see what you think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtLkzg8bFgA
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I think she discovered an interesting property of blindfolds.
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Very pro, she maybe needs a better blindfold (Osterlind's would be a good test condition one) to deal with the skepticism Smile
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Fakes ain't even tryin anymore these days
Reader discretion is advised.
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On Oct 20, 2015, Michael Zarek wrote:
Fakes ain't even tryin anymore these days


Fakes don't need it. Read the comments in the video. Those who want to believe don't need proof.
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Well... if people stopped believing this kind of nonsense, we'd have far less work. Smile
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Well... if people stopped believing this kind of nonsense, we'd have far less work. Smile


I don't think so, I still go to the cinema and I don't believe it's true Smile
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This is the new hype in India - the land of illusions.

Nakul Shenoy is debunking some but like all lies they spread like butter.
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I wonder why magicians and mentalist sometimes feels that they are the "ethic police"?

don't you see that doesn't matter if you expose "fakes" ? People will believe whatever they want. What would Mr. Bux think about this?
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I think she's the next URI GELLER!!!!! Go girl go!!!! You'll be selling out magic conventions by the time you are 30!!!! Smile
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On Oct 21, 2015, Amirá wrote:
I wonder why magicians and mentalist sometimes feels that they are the "ethic police"?

don't you see that doesn't matter if you expose "fakes" ? People will believe whatever they want. What would Mr. Bux think about this?


Because any human being that cares for others cannot stand silent when others are all being conned * doing the right thing became wrong?
Let us know why you stand by what you wrote.

"People believe in whatever they want" What psychology classes have you been into?
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Cognitive bias is quite real.
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I think everyone can agree that the music in the video was dope. After that, I kind of have to agree with Amirá, we don't have to debunk, because people are going to believe what they want.
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Sometimes though, don't you think its healthy to enable people to rethink certain idea(l)s?

Some people believe in homeopathy, and some of died because they stopped regular treatments and stuck with their homeopathy cure. They worsened, regardless of their positive and "this is curing me!" belief, when it wasn't...

What if I believed that heroin was a really great lifestyle choice?
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On Oct 21, 2015, Four Jakes wrote:
I think everyone can agree that the music in the video was dope.


That opening was pretty great, for sure.

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Because any human being that cares for others cannot stand silent when others are all being conned * doing the right thing became wrong?


When people realized that "the right thing" is not a black and white concept.

There is no 'right thing'. There are, at best, right things and who should be the one who decides which one is best for any individual?

Given that people who believe in something will, in general, never change their mind, and that in general you cannot prove a negative - for the most part the people who claim to be 'saving' others are really just ego-tripping.

You want to help people? Serve food to the homeless, help the poor, volunteer at hospitals, etc.
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To be clear, I believe the girl to be a fake - she's selling snake oil, she is very good at her job and I applaud her from an entertainment perspective only...if they are "teaching it" and its not teaching mentalism, then they are selling fakery...

you can listen to the opening prayer here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP8Wv1P1NFE
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When someone is scamming people I don't see how could be bad to point it out, the thing is that believers wont listen. About homeopathy I had a blog about science, when I explained how homeopathy "worked" I started to receive hundresds of emails saying that I was paid by evil corporations, until I had to get rid of my,fortunately not personal, email.

Now I have a more "Darwinian" view (and I'm more careful with my personal data in internet), problem is when some wrong views (because some topěcs are not debatable,they are science) can harm innocent people. In my country, this year died a 4 years old of an almost extint disease because his parents didn't vaccinate him because, you know, nature is good, science is evil and all that things. So, I repeat, I can't see the bad thing in, like Iain says, to help people to rethink some ideass giving them more information. Maybe I'm ego-tripping but I think that knowledge is always good.


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If I sound harsh or offended is only due to my bad communication skills in english.
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She is lying for money indeed. Given that she seems not to be selling a cure/homeopathy, is she doing something dangerous for anybody?
(dangerous, not amoral)
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I did a little digging, the course she went on, its available via a site - it doesn't list a price, you could probably find out pretty easily...i think the claim is "go on this course and unlock your third eye" - and she then gives demonstrations of using that third eye...

if the course CAN teach that, then that's brilliant...but as with all such claims, for me they fall down on logic before anything else...if they can teach that, it has untold uses elsewhere, where they could a world of good with it...but they don't seem to be doing that, and I always wonder why...

anyway - the word 'science' has now been used, which means a whole load of crazy will soon be arriving, and I've decided to no longet get involved in that, as its such a chronic waste of time...
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On Oct 21, 2015, Lseeyou wrote:
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On Oct 21, 2015, Amirá wrote:
I wonder why magicians and mentalist sometimes feels that they are the "ethic police"?

don't you see that doesn't matter if you expose "fakes" ? People will believe whatever they want. What would Mr. Bux think about this?


Because any human being that cares for others cannot stand silent when others are all being conned * doing the right thing became wrong?
Let us know why you stand by what you wrote.

"People believe in whatever they want" What psychology classes have you been into?



In basic ones when the notion that human beings are emotional beings and not rational.

Who cares if she is fake or not? Or if she is selling snake oil or not? Ethics are not the final solution. A pragmatic perspective in life isn't the best or the only solution to see realities during our existence in this reality that we call "world". So because I know a way to do that act, that means that everyone doing something similar is doing the same?

There are more interesting things in life that trying to be an apparent hero and say others that this girl isn't really using his claimed ability because there is a book that says other manner to do that. Surely, you don't need psychic power to do what she does, and again, who cares?

The person who wants to pay money to learn in his courses...his responsibility, not mine. Maybe she is teaching notion and ideas that are far beyond our understanding as performers, or maybe not.
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