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lord_wallmotto Loyal user 291 Posts |
Am I the only one who thinks that these single trick dvd releases is starting to get a bit ridiculous?
When people first began to release their material on these type of single trick dvd projects the effect was often some kind of bigger effect, a closer that you could use to close your show type of effect, which really needed a detailed long explanation, or an effect that included a gimmick of some sort. Now it seems like every single trick goes straight to a single trick dvd. I am not saying that this is a bad trick, but is it really worth 25 bucks? |
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T.G. Jones Elite user 489 Posts |
Lord_wallmotto
Alas, the focus nowadays is on making money rather than doing the right thing, This trick should be one of many in a book or DVD for the same price as the single release. When I was a dealer I would have warned my customers against supporting this 'one trick for too high a price' trend. But as long as the naive buy in this fashion the practice will continue. |
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
One of the great things about the classic ID is being able to involve several spectators in the presentation.
For a small group, one person could select red or black, the next a low or high card, etc. Finally reaching a selection of a single card. This gets several people involved. That was one of the things I enjoyed most about ID and it could turn a small card trick into something much larger. |
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T.G. Jones Elite user 489 Posts |
Agree.
I would be much happier if this was sold as a $3-$5 download and WASN'T referred to as a gimmickless ID because it's not. |
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
You'd actually go to the bother of downloading this? I believe this is a contender for the biggest magic ripoff of 2015.
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T.G. Jones Elite user 489 Posts |
You might just be right there Pegasus.
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Dominic Reyes Inner circle Got to a gig too early so wrote his 1429 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2015, gtx magic wrote: I agree 100% Graham. It's not identical to an Invisible deck, it's a very practical impromptu variation. On one side, you can't have a spectator just nane any card, they need to pick one. On the other side, it's free of needing a gimmicked deck. Compromises and advantages.... Great bit if knowledge to have available when you need to work without any kit. The teaching is of a high standard too. Darryl goes over everything in details and is quite funny at times. A well produced professional release. Dominic
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lord_wallmotto Loyal user 291 Posts |
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On Oct 24, 2015, T.G. Jones wrote: I agree. I would like to add that I do think that the trick itself is a quite good trick and Daryl seems like a really great guy and a very charismatic performer, I really like his style. I just don´t think that the price is justified and I do not like the trend that I have seen lately(Im sure that it has been going on for a while without me knowing) which is that tricks that a few years ago would have been a part of a multiple trick dvd or book now gets their own release. If this was a 5 or 10 bucks download at Penguin, I would have rated it way higher as a product. |
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tonysamos1 New user 79 Posts |
Hey guys it's Darryl Davis here. Figure I'd chime in! I want to explain the price point a bit with you guys and why it's not just a download. It is a dvd but only because there's too much content for a download. we have the basic handling plus a bunch of other handlings. one where you can actually have the cards in the box,equivoque a suit, they name any card in that suit, you pull the cards out and can spread immediately to show that card reversed. (It's actually my favorite handling. It's just not impromptu but still using regular cards and is almost identical to the original ID where you can involve multiple people and do the whole invisible deck process) also there are tons of interviews and guests teaching their handlings. And Alan has a half hour section where he teaches his newest version of ackermans opener using the improvements ( it's like three effects in one) Alan also has a talk on the faro shuffle. Alan's parts alone are worth it I think haha but yeah we definitely put a lot of work into this . I know what it's like to buy a DVD and realize that the performer released this effect with out much thought or effort. I want you guys to know that I f that was the case here's do it was just a release for money I wouldn't have spent two years working on this trick spending night after night with Alan and others exploring every route of this effect. There's so much content on here it's a bit ridiculous. II'm positive anyone who does buy it will enjoy it and learn a lot! Also this is originally elmsleys and then later improved by Ackerman. However things have been changed quite a bit. One huge advantage being you no longer have to turn your back to the spectators once they see a card. Everything can be done right under their nose and done so invisibly where they can burn your hands beginning to end. Thanks guys! Cheers!
P.s. PEGASUS! I think you have to actually spend your money on something to call it a contender for the biggest ripoff of 2015. I do appreciate the nomination though! I also admire your gusto and the fact that your willing to jump to conclusions so quickly |
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tonysamos1 New user 79 Posts |
Also! No memorized deck for the handling you guys saw. And they actually do see all the cards with wording you just restrict them down.
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tonysamos1 New user 79 Posts |
Here's a performance up close of the basic handling!
http://www.magicshop.co.uk/HIGHLY_RECOMM......nfo.html |
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
So there's a version where you actually turn your back on the specs in order to do the dirty work? That's got to be a wind up.
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tonysamos1 New user 79 Posts |
The versions where you turn your back are actually elmsleys and Alan's versions which are not on the DVD. My improvement is that you no longer have to turn your back on any of my versions. So yes a real wind up!
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magico Special user Connecticut 862 Posts |
Penguin's website has Unbound: Gimmickless Invisible by Darryl Davis (DRM Protected Video Download) is the more on the DVD?
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tonysamos1 New user 79 Posts |
No its all on there!
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magico Special user Connecticut 862 Posts |
Thanks
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T.G. Jones Elite user 489 Posts |
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On Oct 24, 2015, tonysamos1 wrote: Yep, spotted that one (see my comments earlier in the thread). I think this should be mentioned in the ad copy. Credit where it's due. As an ex-dealer I was very careful about only selling material where crediting was clear. |
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tonysamos1 New user 79 Posts |
I totally understand! I didn't have any say in the ad copy though but in the DVD there is a long talk between Alan and myself talking about all of the credits and discussing the forms this effect has taken over the years and all of the originators. It's always sad when credit is not given
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BlackZ Veteran user 316 Posts |
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On Oct 24, 2015, magico wrote: Lol, I thik that someone has said that there is too much things to be done for a download!!! |
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tonysamos1 New user 79 Posts |
I was just as surprised hahah I guess they got it all on there
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