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YvanZmn New user 29 Posts |
How good are the angles on this ? From the performance there is someone behind him.... does he see the method or not ?
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GAMJoker Loyal user Bad language skills confirmed in 224 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2015, YvanZmn wrote: I would say 160-180°. If you know how to cover the secret very good with your hands and don't want to do the visual link you could even let see someone the trick from behind from some angles, but when you want to do the visual link then you can't have anyone behind you / the card. |
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scott0819 Inner circle Toronto, Ont. 1040 Posts |
So, this was released on DVD in 2008 and I just found this thread from 2009 where Ben talks about developing the "visual link":
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rt=90#16 Are there any other developments to the handling or preparation included in this new download? |
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts |
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On Oct 22, 2015, YvanZmn wrote: Genius ...... distract your spectator by getting them to undertake some ridiculous activity whilst you do the dirty work. Maybe I wouldn't ask them to make something from card though; I'd be more tempted to ask them to do a bit of Kareoke then ,when they return to their seat, I'd wave the linked cards at them. Cripes. |
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Ceierry Inner circle Europe 1582 Posts |
Hey! This is perfect for restaurants, but personally I would use this to a special moment, imagine working at a restaurant, and a couple just made 1 year, imagine signing each of them a part of the cards, and linking them together and giving this as a souvenir, what a beautiful moment!
- Olivier
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Robmonster Elite user 455 Posts |
Ray, if only it were possible to change the presentation from the one provided with tricks. Of course, we all know that's against magic law, and if you don't perform a trick exactly how originally shown you are forced to hand in your cards and sponge bunnies
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Dominic Reyes Inner circle Got to a gig too early so wrote his 1429 Posts |
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On Oct 24, 2015, Ceierry wrote: Yep. Top table for weddings. From my own experience, it's also good for wedding exhibitions. The bride and grooms put it into their bag with all the brochures etc, and comment about it when they sit down to go through all the stuff. It's a lovely 'lucky' business card....
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts |
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On Oct 24, 2015, Robmonster wrote: My point really is that this is the video of the inventor performing this and this load of gubbins is the best they can come up with. Of course I can put my own slant on it. I suggested that you send your spec off to do a bit of Kareoke whilst you do the dirty work. Being serious for a mo, if I was doing this I'd do the version I've had for years which looks better in transition but isn't examinable. Giving out pieces of tat as a souvenir isn't my thing. |
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Robmonster Elite user 455 Posts |
Oh, glad you explained as it just looked like you were being an arse.
The work needed can be done while they are signing one of the rings. |
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Robmonster Elite user 455 Posts |
Oh, glad you explained as it just looked like you were being an arse.
The work needed can be done while they are signing one of the rings. |
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Dominic Reyes Inner circle Got to a gig too early so wrote his 1429 Posts |
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On Oct 24, 2015, Robmonster wrote: Wise words Robmonster. There are lots of ways to present O.C.L, and Ben doesn't suggest any single presentation. That live clip is how he sometimes presents it to friends having drinks, but he performs O.C.L many different ways, and we should too. I perform each year with Ben at the Excellence in Policing Awards. He often uses O.C.L there with a very funny 'handcuffs' presentation. Goes down a storm. If anyone has any questions about O.C.L and wants some one on one time to chat to Ben, just give the shop a call or pop in and Ben will be there Mon-Fri to help you in person. Hope this helps Dominic
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writeall Special user Midland, Michigan 930 Posts |
Yes, but can the work needed to be done be done while they are signing?
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Puzzlemaker Elite user 437 Posts |
Don´t understand it.Sorry. What is the different of the Released Version from Ben williams in 2009 and the "New" O.C.L.????? What is the different?
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philipmuller97 New user 11 Posts |
Personally, I think this is a great effect. I'm very happy with my purchase. Yes, the preparation of the gimmick takes some time, but you can prepare them in advice. The visuals of this are just insane, you cannot beat that smooth melt-trough. And they can examine it and even keep it... Two signed rings... I think that the positives here just destroy the annoying preparation.
Someone mentioned that there are some effects that do the same thing in an easier way, but they can't keep the rings. I get that there are different performance styles, but personally, I think that after you clearly link two card rings you can't just ditch them and continue. The first thing spectators want is to see, examine, feel the thing that just happened and taking the rings away just destroys the moment... It's like admitting that there is something tricky that you don't want them to see, at least in my view. Yes, the explanation on the video could be better. There are some things I really wish would be clearer (for example some close up shots would be nice, as someone already mentioned). The worst thing, at least for me, was the fact that you need some elements (especially glues) that you have to buy extra. And while for most people this won't be a problem, in my country it is, 'cause the special glue is not easy to find & buy (and I honestly don't know if the glue can be easily replaced with something else). Bottom line: I really think that the effect is fantastic... It looks impossible, FEELS impossible and it is practical enough to be used daily... and they will remember you. Just my 2 cents! |
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Tom G Inner circle 2895 Posts |
How different (or similar) to Sixten Beme's version is this?
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Puzzlemaker Elite user 437 Posts |
Tom G: The different is:
1. With Sixten Beme´s Version( I prefer this version) you make the Gimmicked Card and Hand t out as an impossible souvenir without big misdirection. The Card normaly coulcn´t be signed( but with a little Practice you could sign the Frame on the bigger frame by the spectator. You must go into your pocket to end completely clean( I us a lighter to heat the frames9. I always like and perfom Sixten bemes Versions. With the Complete Card Link from the 80`s from Sixten Beme, you Link 2 Different Cards togerther. 1. For OCL from Ben Williams, I like the Idea, but I hate fumbling with my big fingers. Also there is a small chance that the spectator could find the secret. The Frames could be signed. I have the "Old" and the New version of OCL. In the New Version(better Quality) you learn an extra Handling for a melt thru frame. Realy Visual and worth the money! Sorry for my bad englisch. |
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rjs Loyal user 296 Posts |
Is it linked in any way to Van Dokkum's Magic Square trick?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chRVe5REfpQ |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
The trailer dose not show me a very open and convincing handling. The thumb and finger completely cover the penetration, and the display afterwards hides part of the penetrating card. A switch has to be involved to hand out, so what is so different then any of the other versions.
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videoman Inner circle 6750 Posts |
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On Oct 28, 2015, Bill Hegbli wrote: No switch needed to hand it out. You're free to try and work out your own handling if you so wish. It may be that you have to make some sacrifices during the actual linking, but I don't believe specs really care about that when you immediately give it to them to keep. I haven't made one up yet so I can't say how difficult it may be to make, and I also can't vouch for how closely it can be examined (depends on the quality of how well you made it.). However, after watching the video it seems easier to construct than I had imagined and I feel pretty confident that it could be examined closely. I really like what I saw on the tutorial. |
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Paul Rathbun Inner circle Michigan 2543 Posts |
I really like the look of this, however I don't enjoy splitting cards. Does this involve splitting cards? PM me if you need to protect the secret. Thanks.
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