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Lonewolf123 Veteran user Singapore 336 Posts |
Any of you guys have tried this trick out?..do you guys feel that this effect is stronger than Dai Vernon's Out of Sight, Out of mind in terms of its mentalism appeal?
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david_a_whitehead Inner circle USA 2122 Posts |
No to the latter question. If you want mentalism appeal, stop doing card tricks.
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Caleb Wiles Inner circle Indianapolis, IN 1132 Posts |
I love the effect, but I do not believe it is stronger than Out of Sight Out of Mind. If you want to do mentalism with cards I STRONGLY recommend Richard Osterlind's Radar Deck found in his Mind Mysteries Vol. 1
I also recommend R. Paul Wilson's work on the Vernon trick. I have performed OOSOOM for quite awhile, but when I saw Wilson perform his version, I was fooled very badly. It is absolutely amazing. Get it.
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academy Veteran user 394 Posts |
I prefer "Dai Vernon's Out of Sight, Out of mind" because it looks more direct (you don't have to instruct the spectator to do specific actions "make three piles...." that remind those self-working tricks) and you don't have to worry about spectator doing actions in the right way.
Sincerely Academy |
dog New user 86 Posts |
I like both effects as both can be done impromptu with a borrowed/shuffled deck, but prefer Out of sight, out of mind.
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p.b.jones Inner circle Milford Haven. Pembrokeshire wales U.K. 2642 Posts |
No to the latter question. If you want mentalism appeal, stop doing card tricks.
HI, Tell that to Craig Karges,Osterlind,Banacheck, Berglas,Max Maven,Ted Lesely,Lee Earl and although he is now dead Al Koran Phillip |
Lonewolf123 Veteran user Singapore 336 Posts |
I second that.
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david_a_whitehead Inner circle USA 2122 Posts |
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On 2004-02-27 02:57, p.b.jones wrote: yea, I'm sure they all got their 'mentalism appeal' by doing card effects. I'm not saying that you shouldn't do card effects in a mentalism/mental magic act. I just think that if you want to be a mentalist, card effects should not be a staple of your act, and it is not for the names you listed above. they did NOT become famous mentalists by doing tricks like Impossible. |
p.b.jones Inner circle Milford Haven. Pembrokeshire wales U.K. 2642 Posts |
I just think that if you want to be a mentalist, card effects should not be a staple of your act,
Hi, osterlinds walk around act is mostly "radar deck" and " breakthrough card system routines"# Phillip |
david_a_whitehead Inner circle USA 2122 Posts |
I do not want to start an argument over this. I just stated something that I believe should be taken into consideration if you really are looking for mentalism appeal. Doing card tricks will not get you there...that is all I am saying on the matter. You can go ahead and bring up examples of mentalists that do use card effects but I guarantee you that the majority of pros out there will tell you to keep it to a minimum or none at all. Having an entire walkaround act based on cards is mental magic at best.
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Axio New user 57 Posts |
I personally don't like effects that involves spelling a word, specially when it comes to mentalism. I think using card tricks in mentalism acts should be restricted to those effects that don't have a sleight-of-handy look.
Axio
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
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On 2004-02-26 12:07, david_a_whitehead wrote: Tell that to Docc Hilford, who KILLS an audience with his card mentalism!!
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the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
Steve Hook Inner circle Raleigh, NC, USA 1266 Posts |
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On 2004-02-27 19:11, MagicChris wrote: MagicChris: Where did see this show? Steve
Like Bonnie Raitt said, "I miss Little Feat more than I miss being 8 years old." Thanks for the concerts + recordings, Lowell, Richie, and Paul!
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david_a_whitehead Inner circle USA 2122 Posts |
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On 2004-02-27 19:11, MagicChris wrote: not with tricks like impossible |
p.b.jones Inner circle Milford Haven. Pembrokeshire wales U.K. 2642 Posts |
Not with tricks like impossible
Hi, I think this is down to personality after all forgetting cards. Osterlind and al koran both do/did the linking finger rings, koran did the liking rings, osterlind does torn and restored news paper and Karges does several effects which are basicaly magic tricks Phillip |
Lonewolf123 Veteran user Singapore 336 Posts |
Well, personally I still feel that 'Impossible' is quite a good piece of magic and is bound to amaze most laypple even if it does not lie in the realm of mentalism. Jenning's thinking for this effect is certainly quite admirable.
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david_a_whitehead Inner circle USA 2122 Posts |
Yes lonewolf, that is absolutely true
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RichHead New user 93 Posts |
Given the right build up 'Impossible' is a great trick.
In terms of audience reaction it is up there with the best.However, to achieve this the presentation must play on and ad lib about the 'impossibility' of what is about to happen, reaching a crescendo with the final spelling ' I m p o s s I b l e'. Not sure I would class it as a mentalism effect. |
dpe666 Inner circle 2895 Posts |
I love "Impossible", but I HATE the spelling plot. Therefore I came up with an effect that uses "Impossible" as its basis, however the over all effect is different. In effect, one spectator thinks of a number from 1 to 10, and a second spectator thinks of a number from 10 to 20 (it COULD be any number from 10 to 52, but in the interest of time it is kept between 10 and 20). The 1st spectator uses his number to arrive at a card, memorizes it, and then buries it in the deck. This is all done with the performer's back turned to the spectators. The performer turns to face the spectators and further mixes the cards. It is agreed by all that the cards is totally lost, and there is no way anyone can know where it is. The second spectator is asked for her thought of number. The deck is then immediatly handed to her, and she deals down to her number. The card at her number is the selected card. The method for this can be found in my book, Maximum Mind Control, under the title "Thought of Card At Thought of Number (sort of)".
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david_a_whitehead Inner circle USA 2122 Posts |
Yea dpe...im not a huge fan of spelling tricks either. unfortunately they take the 'magic' out of tricks and relegates it to sleight of hand. at least, that is how it appears to me.
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