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MagieFraudster New user 95 Posts |
The setup for card warp can be done before or during the presentation... I do it before but wonder if it would be better to do during. I'm not sure I could pull off the setup during performance, but it's tricky to do the initial long fold with the pre-setup. There are problems with either handling I suppose... please weigh in with whether you do it before or during and why.
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Ivan Imagination New user 10 Posts |
Stephen Hobbs has some excellent work on this in his Technical Toolbox. It's worth checking out. It allows you to prepare in advance but also to have the cards seen more openly during performance, with the final work done while performing. It is one of many great things on that project for card workers.
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ThomasJ Special user Chicago 999 Posts |
Before. It's important that the cards are handled very open and fair at the outset, and I feel a pre-set card is the cleanest way to ensure this occurs. I never perform it as an opener, so the cards come from the deck that has been in use. There's no heat on them and no need to hand them out for examination prior to the effect. You might do that at the end, and at that point you're clean anyway (see Wesley James' Hyperwarp in his excellent book Enchantments for a great ending). You could even force the card to discount the idea of using a special card if that helps. The card could pass unnoticed in the deck for multiple tricks before you perform Roy Walton's Card Warp. You could cop it in at an opportune moment if leaving it in your deck is troublesome.
For what it's worth, Michael Close has a really neat idea using a dollar bill in lieu of a cover card in one of his Worker's publications. Faudster, What do you prefer, before or after? |
Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
Darwin Ortiz has an excellent approach to this in Darwin Ortiz At The Card Table. It's a card warp deck.
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Jacob3 New user 51 Posts |
I'd say during. Just look at this performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3GUOJYXZ1o
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ThomasJ Special user Chicago 999 Posts |
Jacob,
The camera cut during the crucial moment. One-on-one this flies b/c the spectator is preoccupied folding the cover card. If more than one spectator is present, I'd opt for a preset card and a classic force (you technically have two chances to hit it) to get the same effect. Wouldn't you rather the folding be more fair and hands off than the picking of the cards at the outset? Once you have the setup card and another X card on the table, you can use equivoque to get the one you need. After all, they are just two arbitrary cards. If someone tries to reverse engineer the effect, the folding of the warped card will likely be the first thing they think back on. |
Michael J Veteran user UK 334 Posts |
Hi MagieFraudster,
I agree with Vlad. I've been performing Mike Close' version of "Card Warp" for many years using Darwin's Card Warp deck. it's never been questioned. All the best Michael J |
Jon Strum Regular user 125 Posts |
I think ThomasJ is spot on. There's no heat on the deck before you perform card warp, because the audience doesn't know what it doesn't know. So you can ring in a pre-set card without raising a single eyebrow. And assuming you've already done some effects with that deck, the audience will logically assume that the card(s) you are taking from that deck are as ordinary as any other card(s) in the same deck.
Your post says that it's difficult to do the long fold with a pre-set card. I've never had a single issue doing it this way, so I'm wondering what might be different in your performance?
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MagieFraudster New user 95 Posts |
It's a bit tricky, but the more I do it (the long fold with preset card) the more natural it becomes.
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Jon Strum Regular user 125 Posts |
Sounds like you've answered your own question. You have the method...just increase your practice and rehearsal time.
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bignickolson New user 87 Posts |
If I'm gonna perform it, I always set it up beforehand. It only takes a moment and I'll run through and prep 2-3 cards quick then I can instantly repeat it. I don't force cards either. I just run through pick a normal card that is contrasting to the card that's prepped and outjog as I run through and when I get to my prepped one, I'll say "...and this one contrasts well" and jog that one. Pull them out together, show them, hand one to the spectator.
I think the idea of trying to force a card in this context is WAY overthinking it. You're not doing a card trick so the faces don't matter. Just pull the cards out and get down to business. |
Alex Day Regular user 155 Posts |
You can ask if they have ever seen someone pretend to rip a card but actually blowing on it? Rip the card behind the other thus preparing.
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
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On Nov 10, 2015, Vlad_77 wrote: This is great advice and is something I have taken to doing. If you take two worn out decks, rearrange it to make a single deck where every other card is a face card (set aside the extra cards). I prepare all of the face cards and then when ready to perform this spread the cards (obviously don't spread them the wrong way) and tell the spectator to select a picture card and a number card (by pointing or naming, not taking it out of the deck). Take them out with the picture card on top, drop them to the table as you put away the deck. Then pick up the cards and go into the routine. If you do this routine a lot making up deck is a great way to get into it.
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Tommy Wonder in his lecture video, scores the card before hand, on he back, this permits him to do a perfect tear. The coupon razor device, I have not seen on the market for some years, but any razor or Exacto knife would do the job.
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arthur stead Inner circle When I played soccer, I hit 1773 Posts |
I'm in favor of having the card prepared beforehand.
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rawdawg Special user Southern California 686 Posts |
Every time I use playing cards people gasp because I've ruined the deck. Even when I say it's all right, they are really hesitant to fold the card. So I made up Darwin' Card Warp deck to counter the reaction. But now days, when I can, I use available business cards, a little pre-work and handle accordingly.
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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