On Dec 9, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
I enjoy the way others want to claim how certain people feel and what the intent is. It must be a certain amount of superiority to presume to think for others.

On Dec 9, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote:
I tend to believe that on some level, anyone who hunts or fishes believes that he is superior. Most of the time those practices are debated on moral grounds, a large part of the argument hinges on other animals being "lesser" than us, whether in intelligence, lower on the food chain, etc. The supposed moral right to kill them (apparently) emirates directly from our "superiority." We frown upon cannibals and murderers, because they're killing our "equals."

On Dec 9, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote:
I tend to believe that on some level, anyone who hunts or fishes believes that he is superior. Most of the time those practices are debated on moral grounds, a large part of the argument hinges on other animals being "lesser" than us, whether in intelligence, lower on the food chain, etc. The supposed moral right to kill them (apparently) emirates directly from our "superiority." We frown upon cannibals and murderers, because they're killing our "equals."

On Dec 9, 2015, landmark wrote:
What a dishonest post.

On Dec 9, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote:

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On Dec 9, 2015, magicfish wrote:

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On Dec 9, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote:
I tend to believe that on some level, anyone who hunts or fishes believes that he is superior. Most of the time those practices are debated on moral grounds, a large part of the argument hinges on other animals being "lesser" than us, whether in intelligence, lower on the food chain, etc. The supposed moral right to kill them (apparently) emirates directly from our "superiority." We frown upon cannibals and murderers, because they're killing our "equals."

What about people who purchase new development homes? The development of one farmers field will kill more animals than I have in my entire life of hunting and fishing.
But lets not go down this road again.

Good job...you've expanded my argument! There's another group of people who feel superior. Nobody would argue that he's entitled to kill a bunch of people to build new homes.

On Dec 9, 2015, magicalaurie wrote:
You guys mean to say that humans are not taught that they are morally superior to animals? You've never seen that?

On Dec 9, 2015, The Hermit wrote:
In the end, it's about what can be used. I don't think it's about superiority. We use animals because we need to. We use them for food or to do work for us.

On Dec 9, 2015, The Hermit wrote: [JEFF HAS EDITED HERMIT'S COMMENT TO MAKE A POINT:]

In the end, it's about what can be used. I don't think it's about superiority. We use BLACK SLAVES because we need to. We use them ....to do work for us. If being a user of BLACK SLAVES is acting morally superior, then anytime you use something else, you will be superior to it. We only use BLACK SLAVES because they are at the moment something other than us. We could still use covered wagons, but we have a better answer. We used to use whales for light, now we don't. I don't think anybody was making moral calculations....

On Dec 9, 2015, stoneunhinged wrote:

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On Dec 9, 2015, The Hermit wrote: [JEFF HAS EDITED HERMIT'S COMMENT TO MAKE A POINT:]

In the end, it's about what can be used. I don't think it's about superiority. We use BLACK SLAVES because we need to. We use them ....to do work for us. If being a user of BLACK SLAVES is acting morally superior, then anytime you use something else, you will be superior to it. We only use BLACK SLAVES because they are at the moment something other than us. We could still use covered wagons, but we have a better answer. We used to use whales for light, now we don't. I don't think anybody was making moral calculations....

Two things: I changed a couple of words to make a point. No offense, please. Also, I find any argument that says "I don't think anybody was making moral calculations" to be a rather weak argument against those who are attempting to make moral calculations.

On Dec 9, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote:


As an aside, we don't need to eat animals.

But to the main thrust of your point, I think it doesn't account for the specific example of sport hunting. There's a difference between having farm animals that work and killing something primarily because you find it fun.