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rami7007 New user 58 Posts |
Does anyone know if this is a good effect? are the vanishes better than the raven?
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Martin Reinertz Regular user 125 Posts |
Hmmm... As far as I know, "Now you see it, now you don't" is a BOOK on misdirection. Never heard of an effect by that name... where did you see it?
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
I got this thing 20years ago. Never figured it out. I even wrote the guy and he assured me it was a miracle. Well, I should have given the $10 in the poor box, what a waste of money.
If you can manipulate a hank ball, you will love this. I never got the 10 second video, just the gimmick and instructions. Never could understand the where the miracle was. Meir Yedid sells this item last I heard. |
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chappy Special user 764 Posts |
This is a gimmick that enables the production and/or vanish of a small object. it comes with a book of ideas and effects by many respected performers, as well as a video of many of the techniques.
Some really nice vanishes and productions are possible but I think they are best suited for tv or one on one performance and not really practical for many situations.
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1908 Special user 882 Posts |
It is very good for tv and also very visual.
Don't wait for the perfect moment...Take a moment and make it perfect!!!
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
A little "angly", but magical-looking, if you put the practice into it...
I prefer the retention vanish (Mickey Silver's or R.O.P.S.) to the gimmick, personally. Doug |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
It's a Jeff Stewart creation that he and Meir Yedid market. On video it looks gerat, but it has angle problems. I think it's better to do the messiah vanish and be claen as a whistle at the end!
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
There are a couple of other threads here at the Café about this little gimmick. It might do you some good to try the search function.
Jeff Stewart did not invent the gimmick! It was used and published by T. Nelson Downs in the mid 1900’s. It was manufactured and sold for a big $1.00 by Ed Mellon as “Money Miracle” in the 1950’s (II still have mine in its original envelope!). Jeff took the gimmick and made it of modern materials (plastic instead of metal)it was no great improvement. Then Mier made a short (very, very short!) videotape of the handling of the prop added a short booklet and sold the package as “Now-U-See-it-Now-U-Don’t”. It’s nothing new and nothing that cannot be done with pure (and easy, beginner’s level) slight of hand. It is a gimmick that has bad angles and very limited use. Still it’s cheap ($10.00) and you throw away a ten spot of other junk so just buy it and see if it is something you will use. Remember no one was buying or liked the old “needled through balloon” trick until Doug Henning performed it live on TV! It sat on the shelves of magic stores for years until then.
The artist formally known as Mumblepeas!
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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
I've used it as an opening for a misers dream. I came up with a way for it to be very angle friendly by using both hands during the move. Don't dismiss this gimmick. The vanishes and productions are very visual. You can throw the coin in the air with the palm facing the spec. and it's gone and all fingers are spread. At that point you could do the maneuver to show the back of the hand empty but it's not really needed. It's best for a half dollar coin or smaller. I'm using dollar size coins for standup so I haven't tried using it with those. I think they are too big to be effective with the gimmick.
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
Man, Harry, you're knowledge is a blessing. Thanks for supplying the "real work" ont his gimmick!!!!!!!
Chris
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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hackmonkey Inner circle England 1093 Posts |
Well Harry I did this effect on one episode of the magic series I am in, it looks amazing. You couldn't do a sleeveless vanish AND reproduction of a coin one-handed AND show both sides of you hand with sleight of hand, could you?(with the same hand)
For $10 I think this is a bargain, yes it has bad angles but in the right situation it kills. Joe |
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johnloon New user UK 54 Posts |
Good effect but too much setup.
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
As Harry says "It’s nothing new and nothing that cannot be done with pure (and easy, beginner’s level) sleight of hand."
why bother with a gimmick?
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
Joe, I’d love to see your TV performance. I’ll bet that you got super responses from the barehanded vanish of a coin!
Actually I can do a sleeveless, one hand, vanish of a coin and show the front, back and sides of my hand empty without any dipping or flipping moves. Of course I cannot then bring the coin back in that hand! I would find it in my pocket or in the other hand. However, I watched Dan Sylvester do a sleeveless, one hand, vanish of a coin and then have it reappear in the hand after showing the hand cleanly (and close-up) empty. He was just playing around in the hall at a convention. He simply used his “pitch”. No fuss, no bother, and no gimmick. There is no doubt that in the right venues (especially on TV with camera control) this gimmick can do wonders for you (hey look at what a hold-out did for David Blaine!). Joe and Larry both use it and get great mileage from it. I don’t mean to suggest that this is a bad prop. For years I used (and still use from time to time if truth be known) the earlier Ed Mellon version. I do suspect though that most purchasers of this prop will not use it because of the angle problems and because it is not a close-up trick. As a result I believe that it will end up the same place the “Raven” did. You know in that drawer we toss all those neat tricks that we just don’t use. Remember what I said about Doug Henning and the Needle Through Balloon trick. In the right hands and at the right venue it can kill. Also, as I said, $10.00 is not a lot of money to invest in a prop/gimmick.
The artist formally known as Mumblepeas!
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
Harry, I'd love to see your one-handed coin vanish! That sounds cool! I have a better one than Now-U-See-It...it's called "Fickle Nickle"...IMO, that IS the best one handed vanish and reappearance, tho' it's similar in principle, albeit once again, "angly"...
My Raven is not in a drawer, Harry...sorry, I guess I'm one of those odd-balls that likes the Raven... It's still hanging in my Dinner Jacket in the closet (away form all recorded media, LOL), awaiting that special time. That's when I need something to kill the "sleight of hand spotters", when they think they know "all the tricks..." LOL! Doug |
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hackmonkey Inner circle England 1093 Posts |
Harry you are right, you will notice I have edited my post to include repoduction and the fact it is all done with one hand. All of this with no funny moves and slowly! As for reactions, I did it in a empty white room like in those GAP commercials. Which I think is the perfect setting! ;-)
The Sylvester pitch is great, but really you are using two hands. As for a one hand vanish/reproduction, Greg wilson also has some nice work on this as well. ButNow U C it Now U don't is the cleanest I have seen. I wont even get into the gimmicks/sleights debate as it is pointless. For $10 it is a miracle, plus S&R did it so it must be good. Fickle Nickle is what I have from the John Cornelius book, I thought they were one and the same? |
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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
"Fickle Nickle is what I have from the John Cornelius book, I thought they were one and the same?"
The Fickle Nickel uses a simple gaffed coin and a second gimmick. That normally is a two handed operation. NUCINUD as stated can be done with one hand. For the vanish or production I use one hand. For the acquitment to hide the coin, I use both hand together which gives extra cover for the side angles. |
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
Doug, you have to be one of the few people that I know that actually uses the Raven. I use a holdout but it doesn’t rely on special props (coins, etc.) to make it work (hey this was a discussion over a year ago!). You are also the only guy that I know that actually uses “Fickle Nickel” which is another good concept (Yes I know that hundreds of folks use both but I don’t know them!).
Joe, you are absolutely right that doing that version in a totally white room would heighten the drama of the vanish/reproduction. Good theatre that! And good use of the prop!
The artist formally known as Mumblepeas!
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
LOL, Harry...yep...what's really insane is I ALSO use the Jack Miller Holdout...it's more than 25 years old...made it myself...does things the Raven cannot.
Fickle Nickle was a freebie I got from Don before he closed his Magic Shop here. If you do Now U See It..., do the Fickle Nickle first, and follow up later with Now U See It...watch those angles! And Fickle Nickle is one you do S-L-O-W-L-Y...kills! Doug |
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santlerconjurer Veteran user 364 Posts |
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On 2004-02-28 00:25, chappy wrote: If you don't know about it you should find out. It may be for you. It's only "something special" if you live in a world predating easy access to certain modern materials and adhesives. |
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