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NVMS?


Not very magical, still...


Oh!, right. (blush)
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Lunatik, of course you can get knocked out and still be on your feet. In boxing it is the job of a good referee to jump in and stop a fight at that stage, rather than let a stationary, immobile and unprotected fighter take a devastating punch that could have life-changing consequences.

Rousey was out. She was standing immobile, making no attempt to defend herself. Luckily she got kicked rather than punched, or she could have been seriously injured.


Imo, being knocked out means unconscious. Maybe that's where we differ in definition.

Do you not know that one can be unconcious while still standing?


That wasn't the case with Ronda

A kick to the head can do a lot more damage than a punch. Ones leg is A LOT stronger than an arm in most cases.

I disagree


I disagree

You disagree that I disagree? Please explain.


Yes, you haven't explained how she was KO'd.

Yes, I have. Here, I'll cut and paste:

It was the punch that knocked her out. Not the kick.
She was defenseless when she got kicked, maybe even already unconcious.
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She was certainly very disoriented.
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Definitely. And hey, maybe the kick was necessary to seal the deal, but in my opinion, Holms was already out after the punch. I certainly didn't expect Holms to stand around and wait to see if the punch was sufficient. She instinctively delivered the next blow.
Its the referee's job to stop the fight and protect the fighters.
Unless it's the ref from the Holmes/ Spinks fight.
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Yes I agree wholeheartedly. The ref has the job to protect. Many a times I have seen fighters protest the stoppage, but error on the side of caution is good. The fighters go bell to bell. Too many times a fighter recovers if they let up. Her instinct to keep on her was right.

It is possible that the kick, or even ab feather might have been enough to do Rousey in at that point. Nobody really knows.

I just keep hoping for ol Slim to come back and prove his nonsense about all the big fights being fixed. Though since it was his dad who said it that explains a lot about Slim himself.
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Which big fights are supposed to have been fixed?
I would assume that his father is talking about boxing, ...I don't know anything about that.

Chael Sonnet says all the PRIDE fights were fixed.
...of course you can't take too much of what Chael Sonnet says seriously, but it's so fun to listen to him say it! Smile
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Fights have been fixed in the past, and continue to be. But the fixed fights are in a minority, a very tiny minority.

A simple way of fixing a fight is to cheery-pick opponents who will crumble easily then sell the fight as an even contest. But in general what you see in boxing is the reality. It is not staged like professional wrestling.
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There is a line between fixing and cherry picking like Lewis. Fixing implies in my mind fighters doing less than their best.
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Lunatik, of course you can get knocked out and still be on your feet. In boxing it is the job of a good referee to jump in and stop a fight at that stage, rather than let a stationary, immobile and unprotected fighter take a devastating punch that could have life-changing consequences.

Rousey was out. She was standing immobile, making no attempt to defend herself. Luckily she got kicked rather than punched, or she could have been seriously injured.


Imo, being knocked out means unconscious. Maybe that's where we differ in definition.

Do you not know that one can be unconcious while still standing?


That wasn't the case with Ronda

A kick to the head can do a lot more damage than a punch. Ones leg is A LOT stronger than an arm in most cases.

I disagree


I disagree

You disagree that I disagree? Please explain.


Yes, you haven't explained how she was KO'd.

Yes, I have. Here, I'll cut and paste:

It was the punch that knocked her out. Not the kick.
She was defenseless when she got kicked, maybe even already unconcious.


Maybe already unconscious?!?!? You've got to be kidding........

As Danny said, she was definitely very disoriented.
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Of course a lot depends on who is doing the kicking and punching. A lot of old timers might remember Bill "Superfoot" Wallace. His kicking power was legendary. And I am talking about high kicks to the face. Bill Wallace was 5'10" and I have seen him kick opponants that were 6'5" in the face with tremendous power.
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Yes it does depend, usually.
But when you charge in to the incoming fist of a professional pugilist with your jaw, it's often lights out regardless of which one delivers it.
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Of course a lot depends on who is doing the kicking and punching. A lot of old timers might remember Bill "Superfoot" Wallace. His kicking power was legendary. And I am talking about high kicks to the face. Bill Wallace was 5'10" and I have seen him kick opponants that were 6'5" in the face with tremendous power.


Yea the "all things being equal" phrase needs to apply.
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Facts as I see them:

Rousey and Holms fought. Rousey lost. I wish she had won. I am disappointed. I want to see a rematch. The End.
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A lot of old timers might remember Bill "Superfoot" Wallace. His kicking power was legendary. And I am talking about high kicks to the face. Bill Wallace was 5'10" and I have seen him kick opponants that were 6'5" in the face with tremendous power.

Yes - but he had a less than 50% knockout rate. A boxer with that sort of knockout rate would be considered a weak puncher. Which underlines the point that it is punching that typically produces the knockouts, not kicking.
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A lot of old timers might remember Bill "Superfoot" Wallace. His kicking power was legendary. And I am talking about high kicks to the face. Bill Wallace was 5'10" and I have seen him kick opponants that were 6'5" in the face with tremendous power.

Yes - but he had a less than 50% knockout rate. A boxer with that sort of knockout rate would be considered a weak puncher. Which underlines the point that it is punching that typically produces the knockouts, not kicking.


What are the percentages of connected punches to the head vs connected kicks to the head? Also, mma and kickboxing being separated. Off that data, it would be interesting to see the results.
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Lunatic, it doesn't really matter what percentage of those knockouts were from kicks or punches. He is one of the sport's big hitters, and clearly he isn't that big a hitter. But from what I see of his record on line only one of the knockouts mentions a kick.

In MMA the knockouts generally come from punches. We remember the kicks because they are spectacular, but they are not typical.
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Lunatic, it doesn't really matter what percentage of those knockouts were from kicks or punches. He is one of the sport's big hitters, and clearly he isn't that big a hitter. But from what I see of his record on line only one of the knockouts mentions a kick.

In MMA the knockouts generally come from punches. We remember the kicks because they are spectacular, but they are not typical.


I think if some are saying that punches are way more powerful to the head than a kick, it'd be interesting to see the percentages.
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A properly thrown punch, ie, reasonably straight away from the body with the fulcrum coming from the shoulder and the whole of the upper torso rocking forward to back up the punch is with out a doubt more powerful than a swinging leg kick. The swinging leg kick is the equivalent of a hook, which is far less powerful than a well delivered right/left cross. I'm sure someone will pipe up with the physics,regarding inertia or some other force that I'm not sure of.
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