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Colin
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LOL, very nice Fon.

I still however didn't find it at all necessary to dissect another performers actual routine. His performance maybe, but actual methods I think is very unfair. I don't think you'd appreciate it if others started commenting on exact methods for routines in your act.

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Lee Earle has the same effect is his book M.I.N.D.
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On 2004-03-01 11:24, Sariel wrote:
Why would you want to "dissect" the method Derren is using? Geesh...if he wanted more people to use it he would have published it.
His method is exactly that...HIS method. Not anybody else's.
Anyway...I don't know about the rest of you but I really wouldn't want anyone to say to me "I've seen a guy on tv doing that"

Even then, if you really want to do a similar effect, you can do a bit of pre-show with a CT or impression device...you don't need to imagine word for word what Derren asked before the show to that guy. Just develop your own stuff, don't be so dependent on the material of others.

I just thought all of that was worth saying again - thank you Sariel for pushing some sanity into this.

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Pk magic, why don't you be true to your vision, rather than doing DB effect why don't you create your original effect, OR if that's to difficult for you, maybe you can use the plot but with your own twist and method, make the effect your own and yours alone, just a tought! nothing personal Smile
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Did anyone else notice that when he took the Wine glass off the spectator and put it on the table directly behind, and when the camera angle changed, the wine glass had dissapeared completly with there being no chance of anyone actually moving it!
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On 2005-04-08 09:17, mindcontroller wrote:
Did anyone else notice that when he took the Wine glass off the spectator and put it on the table directly behind, and when the camera angle changed, the wine glass had dissapeared completly with there being no chance of anyone actually moving it!


WOW! I wasn't aware of that. Tut tut, Derren is a bad boy. To think it wasn't done by NLP...
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Wine glass?What programme/effect are we on now??
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Hypnose + Stooge + Preshow Work = many of Derrens Tricks (?)
and don´t forget it´s TV!!!!!!
anyway he is great but I think we all agree on this point!

Good Night I have to sleep now because I have a Derren Brown Tribute Show tomorrow night... just kidding ;-)
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On 2004-02-28 19:09, shrink wrote:
Ive been doing this effect for years and years. Lee earle "Train of Thought"---it will be in his new book M.I.N.D.


Thank you. I was thinking it was Lee Earl that had something like this but wasn't sure .
Enjoy!
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That effect can be done without any PSW (although that's another possibility too). In fact, I've been doing a very similar thing for some time before I saw DB "Tractor" effect in which, as in DB's effect, you (or the spec) can also say that there's nothing arranged previously and the spec hasn't written anything down. I don't know if DB's method is the same or not but PSW is not the only way to do it. And the more I see the effect the more I'm convinced that his method has nothing to do with the ones you folks have been commenting here. Anyway, I think that everybody's final goal should be to find his/her own way to do effects which look so clean from the spectator's point of view but using his/her own methods, plots, etc. I'm pretty sure that anybody with a bit of imagination and some knowledge of mentalism could come up with more than one method to do a similar stunt (the funny thing is that his DVD perfomance contains some elements that could explain what I mean. You only need a bit of imagination).
Best wishes,
Kamiruaga

PS- And yes, I also feel that this post has just turned into discussing another performer's secrets, sometimes quite graphically for an open forum.
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I'm not being funny, really, but we seem to now have a group of schoolchildren who have gatecrashed The Café. Maybe it's time to look for a 'different' room.

I would just love to perform before most (not all of course for some have 'the knowledge') of the contributers in here. Beyond a shadow of a doubt they are greener than any lay audience. I sometime find it hard to believe how 'mentalists' could possibly fall for what 'Stephen Long' called such "pseudo-explanations".

But then of course I am reminded that most of the contributers in here are in fact young magicians trying to be mentalists.
And there's nothing wrong with that, except that it's slowly driving me crazy!!!

Having said that I know that Derren is certainly a 'lurker' in here, although he would never lower himself to comment (his words).

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Bobser, Have a lie down.
Maybe take tomorrow off work.
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Derren-lowering himself? Charming.
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Yah, dual reality might be a way to accomplish this effect. but I would like to be able to use a close up version of this effect, possibly for walkaround.
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On 2005-04-12 18:35, discjockey wrote:
but I would like to be able to use a close up version of this effect, possibly for walkaround.


and what about a new car, a house and a playmate?
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Hey, why not?
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I thought about patrik kuffs watchism (mind stunts). I watched the dvd yesterday for the first time. don´t know if it works (for me).
it could work close up.

cheers
Philipp
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Why does no one use the inner thoughts section to discuss these supposes methods? I mean seriously, if your so intent on figureing out how it's done, wouldn't it be best to use the proper section provoided to us. If a member of the public types in tractor effect or Derren abd Tractor they are given this site as an option, so now they can read the idea's of how it's done.

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I'm not so sure. I'm fairly baffled meself at times in 'ere!
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It was during Senseí Brown's Deutch, umm, what'd it get called, "lecture"? That I first became aware of the dual reality principle, in terms of performance.

To this day I think it is the single greatest magic effect, because it sums up what magic should be to me: Even someone who, in some people's eyes, becomes a stooge, goes away with a feeling of elation, even if they are receiving a quite different effect. The linguistic acrobatics involved are breathtaking, looking back on that first performance; it's what interested me in what we loosely define as "Mentalism*"


*And it's still getting looser Smile
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