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imgic Inner circle Moved back to Midwest to see 1337 Posts |
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On Dec 15, 2015, Slim King wrote: Do you ever listen to yourself?
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Dec 15, 2015, imgic wrote: My guess is no he does not, which makes him way better off than us.
Danny Doyle
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Danny- one piece of common-sense regulation that Congress refuses to push through is closing the gun show loophole on background checks. You buy a gun in a shop, they run a background check. You buy a gun at a show, they take your money and give you the gun, regardless of whether or not you're a violent felon.
Most people support background checks on gun purchases, but Congress won't close that loophole.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I think you will find that most jihadists have clean criminal records and so background checks are pretty useless for them and also criminals are most unlikely to do these sort of shootings. How many of these shooters have had criminal records?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Dec 15, 2015, EsnRedshirt wrote: How many mass murders have been accomplished with a firearm purchased through a "gun show loophole"?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
Gun show loophole is just more stupid posturing by gun control advocates. Most sellers at gun shows are federally licensed dealers and they do checks. Only 2% of criminal guns come from gun shows. You may notice that most large killings have come from guns purchased for the killer by someone else. Why, since it all comes out after the fact, escapes me. Most criminals buy from the black market. They're readily available in that world and the prices are good since many are stolen.
Also, gun shows are state controlled and the fed has no say over how they're run. Our own government was one of the leading sellers of illegal guns to straw purchasers if you remember. Let's close the ATF loophole while we're at it. |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Fast and Furious ... 300 dead already!!!!
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Dec 15, 2015, The Hermit wrote: Rightly or wrongly, Congress could certainly invoke the Commerce Clause and survive a constitutional challenge to gun show legislation.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
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On Dec 15, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: They can shut them down tomorrow with an onerous tax as well. However, there is no real loophole problem. Of all guns used in a crime, 2% came from gun shows, but that number contains stolen and borrowed weapons. Gun show laws are kabuki theater by the government, gun control activists or Rothschilds as the case may be. Gun shows are the source of a lot of legitimate tax producing gun sales. They are for hunters and gun sportsmen. They are attended by lots of law enforcement. If I was a criminal, that's the last place I would want to go. The cities with the highest murder rates/gun deaths have the strictest gun laws. We have proven laws don't stop criminals. The logic on this is self evident. To argue for more law outside of confiscation, is pointless. And, confiscation can never work. Also, I suspect criminals will still get guns as they do in Australia and other countries with strict laws. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Dec 15, 2015, The Hermit wrote: What's the self-evident logic?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
The gun laws and gun free zones have failed .. THAT'S self evident!
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Okay, I'm getting tired of this. When I get annoyed that nothing's being done, someone cries out, "Nothing can be done!" And someone else cries out, "Fine, smartypants, what would you do?" While knowing that the 'nothing can be done!" people will pick apart anything suggested as nearly useless. And if I say I don't know, I'll be called a 'typical anti-gun liberal who wants control without knowing anything about it.' Well, fine. I don't know. But here's the thing- eventually, something's going to happen* that will make Australia-style gun control not only viable, but politically beneficial. And when that happens, you pro-gun people better have some workable, effective solutions you're willing to live with, or you are going to end up with Australia-style gun control.
So- what's -your- suggestion? * Though I'm sadly forced to admit, if Sandy Hook wasn't enough to be a turning point, it's going to require a massacre with scores of victims. Probably including some who were armed.
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Randwill Inner circle 1914 Posts |
Or we could just get used to the idea that in America nuts with guns are going to regularly massacre innocent people. You know, like if you live in the desert you get used to it being hot. Nothing you can do about it.
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
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On Dec 15, 2015, EsnRedshirt wrote: 1) Shut down the crazy Kill Zones ... Let people protect themselves. Almost All of these slaughters take place in these No Gun Zone soft targets.
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Dec 15, 2015, Randwill wrote: That's how we did it with cars and swimming pools.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
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On Dec 15, 2015, Slim King wrote: Balonga. Oscar Meyer certified. Stop reading Alex Jones, he's a nutbag.
Self-proclaimed Jack-of-all-trades and google expert*.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Dec 15, 2015, EsnRedshirt wrote: So are you contending that a substantial number of mass shootings take place in areas open to armed citizens?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Quote: Read into it what you will, the "No Gun Zone" argument is a lie. Do you support massive profits to gun manufacturers?On Dec 15, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Self-proclaimed Jack-of-all-trades and google expert*.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Dec 15, 2015, EsnRedshirt wrote: What's your source for contending that it's a lie?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Randwill Inner circle 1914 Posts |
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On Dec 15, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: Cars are a good example. You never see national news reports about the people killed in cars on any given day. As blood splattered schoolrooms and work places and theaters, ect, become more common, the news media will doubtless begin to ignore it the same way it does the daily highway carnage. Mass shootings will become such a boring, everyday occurrence that ratings hungry news outlets will have to move on to something more unique to hold viewers' attention between the commercials. Nothing to see here folks. Move along. |
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