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Of all the ridiculous............

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opinio......tml?_r=0

"Safe spaces are an expression of the conviction, increasingly prevalent among college students, that their schools should keep them from being “bombarded” by discomfiting or distressing viewpoints. Think of the safe space as the live-action version of the better-known trigger warning, a notice put on top of a syllabus or an assigned reading to alert students to the presence of potentially disturbing material."

"The safe space, Ms. Byron explained, was intended to give people who might find comments “troubling” or “triggering,” a place to recuperate. The room was equipped with cookies, coloring books, bubbles, Play-Doh, calming music, pillows, blankets and a video of frolicking puppies, as well as students and staff members trained to deal with trauma."

This is what happens when you raise generation(s) to believe the foolish idea that everyone is exactly equal, and that everyone's every thought and feeling must be respected on demand. You end up with young adults who, instead of preparing to enter the real world, are desperately trying to crawl back into their childhood, if not the womb.
Perhaps colleges should provide housing for the mothers of these grown-up toddlers so that they can have mommy hold them and tell them it will be OK.

Shame on the parents of these kids.

Maybe I'm wrong though. After all they NEED to have their sensitive souls protected against anything that might possibly make them even slightly uncomfortable; so they have the RIGHT to demand that protection.

And the world just keeps getting dumber.
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Wow NYC, I've never read anything like that in my entire life! I'm scared that some of these kids will work their way into corporate America and start to slowly implement these types of changes. Maybe it's a slim chance, but the way things have been going lately, I wouldn't be totally surprised. Thanks for the article.
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In my career teaching university mathematics, finance, and accounting, I have had my fair share of parents phone the university to complain at me that I didn't give their darling son or daughter (in no particular order) a passing grade.

Fortunately, I've always been blessed with department chairs with backbones.
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But, "T- Ball" has taught us that ...
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Maybe home schooling for college students would solve the problem. Of course when they graduate, they'd have zero real world experience.
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But, "T- Ball" has taught us that ...


....I suck at T-ball.
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Hmm. Aggressive, socially secure people don't require safe places. That settles it. No one does.
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Maybe home schooling for college students would solve the problem. Of course when they graduate, they'd have zero real world experience.

And probably wouldn't know anything.
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Hmm. Aggressive, socially secure people don't require safe places. That settles it. No one does.

An even the unaggressive ones don't.
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Hmm. Aggressive, socially secure people don't require safe places. That settles it. No one does.

An even the unaggressive ones don't.


Dunno. I've never been a rape victim. Nor have I survived war in my home. Nor have I suffered severe mental illness. I've not been a victim of racism or sexism. I'm not a sexual minority. I have not been tormented to point of suicide.

What could I know about what vulnerable people need if I don't listen to them?
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Some people need porn and cocaine. Does that mean that they should be provided at college? Next to the coloring books?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Some people need porn and cocaine. Does that mean that they should be provided at college? Next to the coloring books?


Are you seriously comparing rape victims to porn users?
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Some people need porn and cocaine. Does that mean that they should be provided at college? Next to the coloring books?


Are you seriously comparing rape victims to porn users?


Not at all. I'm observing that college isn't necessarily the appropriate venue to provide for every conceivable need that people might have. But I have all sorts of weird ideas; what do I know? I would think, for instance, that if certain students would find a debate damaging or upsetting that perhaps rather than rely on a third party to organize a Play-Dough and coloring book room, those students could simply...I don't know...not attend the debate.

Maybe I'm just jealous. When I was in law school, I certainly "felt bombarded by a lot of viewpoints that really went against my dearest and closely held beliefs," but nobody gave me a room with puppy videos. I've heard tell that some people find exposure to alternate viewpoints to be a good thing; others find it "alarming." "Indoctrination U." indeed.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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organize a Play-Dough and coloring book room...



says it all
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As does your failure to address the point that anyone who would be upset by things heard at a debate could simply choose not to attend said debate.

But put your right hand on a copy of The Royal Road to Card Magic and tell me you'd be just as supporting of this idea if it was promulgated by a right-wing group that thought that inviting a pro-choice speaker onto a campus to participate in a debate could be upsetting to some students, and we can agree to disagree.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I've never been a rape victim. Nor have I survived war in my home. Nor have I suffered severe mental illness. I've not been a victim of racism or sexism. I'm not a sexual minority. I have not been tormented to point of suicide.

What could I know about what vulnerable people need if I don't listen to them?

Very good point.

I had a similar debate with my daughter last week. She said that a remark she had overheard on the street was racist. I felt it wasn't. We agreed to ask her best friend, who is coloured. If she found the remark would have made her uncomfortable I would say I was wrong. If she didn't find the remark uncomfortable, perhaps it wasn't racist.

Only the victim of racism can really tell. Same with the victim of sexual assault, etc.
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I've never been a rape victim. Nor have I survived war in my home. Nor have I suffered severe mental illness. I've not been a victim of racism or sexism. I'm not a sexual minority. I have not been tormented to point of suicide.

What could I know about what vulnerable people need if I don't listen to them?

Very good point.

I had a similar debate with my daughter last week. She said that a remark she had overheard on the street was racist. I felt it wasn't. We agreed to ask her best friend, who is coloured. If she found the remark would have made her uncomfortable I would say I was wrong. If she didn't find the remark uncomfortable, perhaps it wasn't racist.

Only the victim of racism can really tell. Same with the victim of sexual assault, etc.



If there's only one person who knows whether the remark was racist, I'd argue for it being the person who made the remark.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Maybe home schooling for college students would solve the problem. Of course when they graduate, they'd have zero real world experience.

And probably wouldn't know anything.


Yet, according to someone in another thread, they will be able to replace experienced teachers, engineers etc.(who should retire/be retired) without missing a beat, in order to solve the horrible problem of all these unemployed, able bodied young people.
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My one experience with home-schoolers was when me, my wife, and our son just happened to be at Monterey Bay Aquarium during Home School day.

It was the most self-entitled and ill-behaved bunch of adults I've ever had the misfortune of being around. Most of them acted as if the rules didn't apply to them. "No strollers in this area," and it was packed full of parked strollers. "No flash photography," the sign could barely be made out amidst the camera flashes. "No food or drink," the sign proclaimed as the parents pulled out lunches to feed to their home-schooled children, who, despite being in the real world, were not learning a darned thing about personal responsibility.

No, home schooling isn't the answer. These "safe zones" are necessary- to keep home schooled and self-entitled kids from harming other students' educations. It's giving them special time outs so they don't disrupt the rest of the class. If we're lucky, they'll eventually see how silly they are and stop it. Until then, what harm is it to indulge them and let the more mature students go about their studies?
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