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The country's been tacking further apart on each extreme. The right is farther right, and the left is farther left.



Funny, never was as bad is it is today. Wonder why?


I don't.

Until the human race sheds ALL ridiculous beliefs in the supernatural we'll just go on killing each other for stupid "reasons".

It's the rank and file, not those in power, that are the real cause of the problem.
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Can't pass up an opportunity can you?
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The country's been tacking further apart on each extreme. The right is farther right, and the left is farther left.



Funny, never was as bad is it is today. Wonder why?



The idea that something is right vs left is just what the ruling class want you worry about. A distinction that has no quantifiable value and nebulous impact on your overall life. The issue is and has always been HOW MUCH GOVERNMENT do you want? Keeping a society/country balanced between anarchy and totalitarianism is the key. When your ruling class is trying to protect itself, you get more programs to keep you occupied while they set up the structure to keep them in power. We are ruled by bureaucrats.
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@Slim about socialism, freedom, benefits, entitlements, propriety, property, liberty, justice for: whom and according to whom?

Some of the above listed notions don't seem to fit the way good citizens expect.

Ask any good citizen. Of course better citizens get better.

We could go transactional and say: Good is that which is rewarded. Aristotle's ethics as behaviorism.

We could go with self interest and trust our neighbors to do as they feel best. Adam Smith moral sentiments.

We could do as we are told. Fiat value.

What do you suggest?
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@The Hermit, Graeber on The Utopia of Rules?
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The country's been tacking further apart on each extreme. The right is farther right, and the left is farther left.



Funny, never was as bad is it is today. Wonder why?



The idea that something is right vs left is just what the ruling class want you worry about. A distinction that has no quantifiable value and nebulous impact on your overall life.


Patently false.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Can't pass up an opportunity can you?


Not true, I've passed up many.

It's not about that.

When your premise is irrational, in the context of proper morality, and you act on that premise, you get madness.

And madness brother, is what we got.

Simple cause and effect.
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When you run evening through your bias filter then you always see the same problem. In other words you are just as bad as those you rail against. Worse because you claim to be so enlightened. Ironic huh?
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Looks like a picture from another country???? ROTFLMAO


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Actually, it was not in another country but in Tampa Bay, Florida.
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When you run evening through your bias filter then you always see the same problem. ...


Okay Danny, maybe we all have bias filters. Living with them is part of the human condition. Denying the subjective validity of those filters can make us unpleasant. Demanding that another person install our filters announces an insult to their sense of self.
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Where did I demand anything?

Congratulations on sticking to English.
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I felt you were asking folks to look at outcomes rather than motivations, to shift perspective.
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When you run evening through your bias filter then you always see the same problem.


We all have filters, so that comes out even in the end - except for the nature of the particular bias and the quality of the filter.

Not all opinions are wrong, and if it's your opinion that the root cause of all the death and destruction is mankind's clinging to their beliefs in the edicts of supernatural beings/concepts - AND - you see that opinion being verified daily by what you see, then maybe some people should be willing to have a conversation about that opinion. Instead of attacking you for having a bias. Like everyone else.


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In other words you are just as bad as those you rail against.


If I have railed, then I was being railed at. (Except for the times I was being an idiot.)

Also, one doesn't follow the other. Just sayin'.


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Worse because you claim to be so enlightened.


I swear that I have NEVER thought of myself as "enlightened", let alone made that claim anywhere.

So help me science.


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Ironic huh?


Since it's not true, then it can't be ironic.

What is ironic is that, if things keep going the way they are, science will end up slitting it's own throat.

In case you are interested in having the conversation I spoke of let me ask you a question. A question presupposes that most, 95%, of all people are good, do not want to hurt anybody, and want to live peacefully. It also presupposes that morality informs actions.

The question is -
What has allowed so few, to control so many, with so little effort, throughout history?

We can skip the political aspects, since they are just the the consequences of the natural tendencies of conmen, and are just another aspect of the same control.

We can also skip the rancor since I live in N.Y.C., and I'm quite full at the moment.
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It just got MORE REAL ....Universal, Sea World and Disney are now using portable metal detectors at ALL THEIR PARKS in Central Florida!!!!!
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Security has tightened like I've never seen in my lifetime. I actually have had some time to see this play out ... I'm sorry it's come to this but it's the New Normal now.
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Many visitors are now complaining about all the new security measures. They say they understand, but they really don't want to. It's sad.
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So is it a good thing or a bad thing?
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I honestly think that the CIA droning hundreds innocent kids with hellfire missiles has repercussions...... These are part of them. I just hope people investigate the causes of Jihad on our shores.

It's a BAD thing we are forced to do this. It's the NEW NORMAL.
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