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On Dec 14, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
Why not try communicating in English instead of only ridiculous references only you seem to connect?

LOL.
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On Dec 14, 2015, arthur stead wrote:
S2000magician, perhaps you can help me. When a sentence ends with a quote, some people put the period after the closing quotation mark, as in:

"They are paparazzi".

Other people put the period before the closing quotation mark, as follows:

"They are paparazzi."

Which is correct?

Arthur,

I know you asked s2000magician, but I'll tell you that I was taught to put periods, commas, questions, exclamations, etc. inside the quotes.
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TL;DR presumably wrong and designed to protect the author's ignorance.

Squirrel!

Puddy tat?

You did?

There's the beef!


Just in case folks would like ... ( puts on red nose and big shoes )


Too compact, didn't look up the unfamiliar phrases:
Distractions are okay for dogs but comic for people.
However, when we are not in a comic dialog for an audience it can look deliberately ignorant. Trying to be funny? Arguing for a proposition?

Once one accepts the possibility of using errors as attention grabbers (speech impediments with Sylvester/Tweety) ;
we get to creepy faux authenticity
Child voices emulated by adults on radio commercials
Grammer errors to make the judicious grieve (or provoke petty pedants)
Not handwritten scrawl used as corporate logos awww isn't that cute? (!!)

If you can get some in the environment to demand explanation from others ... the pot is more than half full and stirred - the brand story gets propigated in background of continued dialog long after the commercial aired.

Think back to the 1984 Apple commercial. How many times did it air as a paid spot and how many more on the news, tv specials... yet folks buy Apple even now with the store in place... waiting in line for the latest. Pot, black, cracked, don't blame the messenger.

Can we talk about the racist elements of that commercial or too much, too far - too threatening? As an experiment reverse the color scheme on your favorites and see if They Live here.
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But in his original example he found something unintentionally done. Or do you contend the writer wanted to look like an idiot by using the plural form? If so I disagree and if not I don't understand your point. But thanks for at least giving English a chance.
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I believe it's attempting to sound common rather than foolish. In rhetoric - ethos - one of us.

What annoys me (the beef) is how the appeals look when you explore the commercial as a script. What does the writer expect to appeal to in the audienc? What feelings do they wish to elicit in the audience about the characters and the dialog? What is their ideal audience supposed to experience? How much of the sentimental context changes if you replace the basketball star with a high school teacher or get a much larger customer? That second term in reading the message as offered where cultural context is visible ... not so nice IMHO. That's my "They Live" opinion.
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And fairly off topic.
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The brain lives to solve problems and a good ad like art will present a problem to the brain to draw it in, capture its attention and while it’s doing so it notices the product or whatever. It is called smoking the thing more or less. Art is not a technical drawing which only informs but mystified info.

What captures the attention in our magic is the dressing: the plausible nonsense and character. I guess a conjurer could actually dress as a matador and wave a cloak to capture the attention in a city street and then produce things as by magic. It would capture their attention because their brain would naturally to solve the mystery of what a matador is doing there. Once the matador gets their attention he could produce a sward then bull and cut the bull in two and all that business. Smile
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On Dec 14, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
And fairly off topic.



Disagree. with both explanation and examples. counter?

Thesis: Selling headspace - the ad is the product. When they try for quaint it feels...
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Why should a commercial have perfect English? It's being written to entice, not stand up to rereading or be expected to last more than a few weeks. Paparazzi is what people know from papers and tv - the proper form will sound discordant and stop peoples thought processes as they listen and absorb the message. It's not about structure, it's about attention and anything that detracts is changed. I suspect someone on the writing team understood the difference and did it anyway.

We hired a new social media director. He changed some of the tweets to use phrases trending such as '..... be like' and we got more opens and retweets with the phrasing. Trust me, today's consumer target doesn't know the difference. Average attention span is down to 7 seconds from 10 seconds a few years ago. Social media appears to be the problem or info overload or idiocracy. That's why all commercials are small stories with emotional content vs facts. That's the hook now vs cool slogans or real facts about your product.

Sorry to say, but good grammar is going to be gone in a few decades.
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It might not take that long.

I was always disturbed by the backwards writing and badly spelled words such as "Pre Skool." Is that the level of education I cam expect?
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"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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It might not take that long.

I was always disturbed by the backwards writing and badly spelled words such as "Pre Skool." Is that the level of education I cam expect?


I know some people get their knickers in twist over grammar. We all had teachers like that. Usually it's just to show they know better. Language evolves. Written proper English and what we use daily was always different. We don't use f like s's anymore (long vs short). Brits use more 'u's than Americans for the same word. Communication drives language changes. Our forms of communication are going to fewer words to more people indirectly (text, twitter) vs the past lots of communication to few people directly (conversation).

U shud all prolly get wit da program.
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It might not take that long.

I was always disturbed by the backwards writing and badly spelled words such as "Pre Skool." Is that the level of education I cam expect?


I know some people get their knickers in twist over grammar. We all had teachers like that. Usually it's just to show they know better. Language evolves. Written proper English and what we use daily was always different. We don't use f like s's anymore (long vs short). Brits use more 'u's than Americans for the same word. Communication drives language changes. Our forms of communication are going to fewer words to more people indirectly (text, twitter) vs the past lots of communication to few people directly (conversation).

U shud all prolly get wit da program.


Do you have children? Are/Were/Will you be fine with them writing and saying "Me and Jimmy went to school"? Language evolves, after all. Everyone knows what they meant, so I assume it's not a problem.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Already seen who can't read.
Does it matter they are irked by 'us?
The judicious are done grieving.

May the farce be with you.
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Just resisting using normal sentences till the bitter end I guess.
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The angry guy doing pratfalls in the farce is funny.
What's the line before "...the judicious grieve..."?

Tawdry?
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On Dec 15, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
It might not take that long.

I was always disturbed by the backwards writing and badly spelled words such as "Pre Skool." Is that the level of education I cam expect?


I know some people get their knickers in twist over grammar. We all had teachers like that. Usually it's just to show they know better. Language evolves. Written proper English and what we use daily was always different. We don't use f like s's anymore (long vs short). Brits use more 'u's than Americans for the same word. Communication drives language changes. Our forms of communication are going to fewer words to more people indirectly (text, twitter) vs the past lots of communication to few people directly (conversation).

U shud all prolly get wit da program.


Do you have children? Are/Were/Will you be fine with them writing and saying "Me and Jimmy went to school"? Language evolves, after all. Everyone knows what they meant, so I assume it's not a problem.


Did I say I approve. Just pointing out the trends. I have one child. I did beat him for inaccurate pronoun use, nut I'm not sure it did any good. If you look at the tweets of entertainment people, they read like ghetto talk or the normal conversation of many of my southern neighbors. Smile I'm all for correct grammar. As our communication modes change, so will our written word. Novels are now written at a more elementary level than say 70 years ago. I need to watch Idiocracy again. I think it's here.
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I read that in Shakespeare's day, around 25,000 English words were in use. Whereas the current total is only 10,000.

Nowadays with "cool" and "awesome" replacing any other sentiment, I would imagine that total is fast diminishing.
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On Dec 15, 2015, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
The angry guy doing pratfalls in the farce is funny.
What's the line before "...the judicious grieve..."?

Tawdry?



Is this a test?
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I read that in Shakespeare's day, around 25,000 English words were in use. Whereas the current total is only 10,000.

Nowadays with "cool" and "awesome" replacing any other sentiment, I would imagine that total is fast diminishing.



The interesting piece to me is how words are being abbreviated in new communication modes. Probably is becoming prolly, totes for totally and so on. Among the younguns this is normal speech as well.
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