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On Dec 15, 2015, The Hermit wrote:
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On Dec 15, 2015, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
The angry guy doing pratfalls in the farce is funny.
What's the line before "...the judicious grieve..."?

Tawdry?



Is this a test?


No this is just how he chooses to try to communicate and attempt to look intelligent. With references only he seems to understand and some sort of bizarre code.
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On Dec 15, 2015, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
The angry guy doing pratfalls in the farce is funny.
What's the line before "...the judicious grieve..."?

Tawdry?

...and the white knight...talking backwards...
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...Now this overdone, or come tardy off, though it make the unskilful laugh, cannot but make the judicious grieve the censure of the which one must in your allowance o'erweigh a whole theatre of others.


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... for any thing so overdone is from the purpose of playing,...
IE fake vernacular, fauxthenticity, reversed "R"s in seemingly scrawled logos...

That's his opinion. I say it's still relevant.
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On Dec 15, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:...

No this is just how he chooses to try to communicate and attempt to look intelligent. With references only he seems to understand and some sort of bizarre code.


If you'd like to sense that - where others have hit their walls... google / read from "catinadiamond". Meow indeed. Hint: not me - but Stross.

Back to us. I say not incompetant but instead disdainful metafiction. It is the twenty first century and ironic is passe. Meta position: don't you feel smarter than those folks in the commercial... but not so smart as to see the writers/casting/racial presuppositions?

Let's go back to basics: How would Socrates know if "they live" unexamined lives? He dodn't have the allegorical sun(glasses). We can't expect to go much further back than those guys when looking for common ground upon which to build meaningful dialog.
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Okay Danny, maybe you're right.

I agree with the original post in a light humorous way. I believe s2000magician knows that ad companies have copy editors.

I also feel the use of false common language is deliberate. I believe part of advertising design using characters is to have the audience feel some things about what the characters represent and to apply that feeling to the acceptance or purchase of the product. It's "where are you in this picture" followed by "now act upon the feeling as regards this product". The example linked ad has a big but harmless looking basketball player confronting an everyday white average joe. Oh the wish to be more like that athelete or get approval from such a person. Especially if also a fan of the sport. But what if the big guy were white, and the smaller guy where black? Same costumes. Would the message be the same? I caught myself feeling a "no" on that and started exploring the topic. Then we started discussing seemingly cute language mistakes. You don't like the reversed "R" in the toy company logo. I too dislike it. No child in my kindergarden or grade school reversed their letters. That was "cute" back in the "Our Gang" comedies long ago. Then it occcured that what bothered me was not the petty pedant wanting to correct an error but the advertiser seeking to elicit that petty pedant, my vain feeling about being better at language than the TV... and it felt even worse. They had used an error like bait on a hook for my attention. And it seems other folks too. What's the word for humor at the expense of the audience? Okay it gets a laugh or gets us to make comment but at what cost? I should pay attention to the TV for grammar errors? My grandmother had a career as a proofreader. She used to point out where honest mistakes slipped though and did not like seeing sloppy language given credibility. But this tacic of making the audience feel good about catching blatant disregard for learning... for a product or ad agency. It's my problem. My beef. I feel they have put their taunts in front of the product. I don't recall the product in the adversitement. I do recall the characters and what I felt. So it's not "what they said" or "how they said it" but how it was designed. Again, all this is just my opinion spelled out in plain declarative sentences.

So what did I do to respond to the affront of "oh you feel clever for finding our baited words?" playbow? Oh I'm supposed to be the greiving judicious who does not like it when someone misuses language? I'm not playing their game today. I went back to what I recalled of a much better writer who addressed the matter - where that affronted or judicious greiving was described by William Shakespeare. I posted a terse reminder to all that the truly judicious need not grieve over deliberate insult. Censure would be more effective. Who "R" us supposed to be? Let those who don't care or those who don't wish to know better watch the show. Whatever they "R" doing is not what Shakespeare had his character tell other characters on stage about respecting their audiences.

In fact I believe folks to be much better than the slovenly eager those advertising copywriters wish us to imagine. I believe folks can recall that speech from Hamlet or if not from memory get the text from Google by searching "judicious grieve". I believe most here get more value from what Shakespeare wrote directly than any quote or paraphrase I might post. Instead I posted cues and movie moment references to things we share. I prefer others agree or disagree with my argument premisses than with my conclusions. Those short form post lines are intended as logical agument statements with references to context. Not what just what I beleive to be relevant but where I got it from and what I'm trying to build from that context.

I'm gonna try a few posts using simple declarative sentences.
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On Dec 15, 2015, arthur stead wrote:
I read that in Shakespeare's day, around 25,000 English words were in use. Whereas the current total is only 10,000.

Nowadays with "cool" and "awesome" replacing any other sentiment, I would imagine that total is fast diminishing.

Like, totally.
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On Dec 16, 2015, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
Okay Danny, maybe you're right.

I agree with the original post in a light humorous way. I believe s2000magician knows that ad companies have copy editors.

I also feel the use of false common language is deliberate. I believe part of advertising design using characters is to have the audience feel some things about what the characters represent and to apply that feeling to the acceptance or purchase of the product. It's "where are you in this picture" followed by "now act upon the feeling as regards this product". The example linked ad has a big but harmless looking basketball player confronting an everyday white average joe. Oh the wish to be more like that athelete or get approval from such a person. Especially if also a fan of the sport. But what if the big guy were white, and the smaller guy where black? Same costumes. Would the message be the same? I caught myself feeling a "no" on that and started exploring the topic. Then we started discussing seemingly cute language mistakes. You don't like the reversed "R" in the toy company logo. I too dislike it. No child in my kindergarden or grade school reversed their letters. That was "cute" back in the "Our Gang" comedies long ago. Then it occcured that what bothered me was not the petty pedant wanting to correct an error but the advertiser seeking to elicit that petty pedant, my vain feeling about being better at language than the TV... and it felt even worse. They had used an error like bait on a hook for my attention. And it seems other folks too. What's the word for humor at the expense of the audience? Okay it gets a laugh or gets us to make comment but at what cost? I should pay attention to the TV for grammar errors? My grandmother had a career as a proofreader. She used to point out where honest mistakes slipped though and did not like seeing sloppy language given credibility. But this tacic of making the audience feel good about catching blatant disregard for learning... for a product or ad agency. It's my problem. My beef. I feel they have put their taunts in front of the product. I don't recall the product in the adversitement. I do recall the characters and what I felt. So it's not "what they said" or "how they said it" but how it was designed. Again, all this is just my opinion spelled out in plain declarative sentences.

So what did I do to respond to the affront of "oh you feel clever for finding our baited words?" playbow? Oh I'm supposed to be the greiving judicious who does not like it when someone misuses language? I'm not playing their game today. I went back to what I recalled of a much better writer who addressed the matter - where that affronted or judicious greiving was described by William Shakespeare. I posted a terse reminder to all that the truly judicious need not grieve over deliberate insult. Censure would be more effective. Who "R" us supposed to be? Let those who don't care or those who don't wish to know better watch the show. Whatever they "R" doing is not what Shakespeare had his character tell other characters on stage about respecting their audiences.

In fact I believe folks to be much better than the slovenly eager those advertising copywriters wish us to imagine. I believe folks can recall that speech from Hamlet or if not from memory get the text from Google by searching "judicious grieve". I believe most here get more value from what Shakespeare wrote directly than any quote or paraphrase I might post. Instead I posted cues and movie moment references to things we share. I prefer others agree or disagree with my argument premisses than with my conclusions. Those short form post lines are intended as logical agument statements with references to context. Not what just what I beleive to be relevant but where I got it from and what I'm trying to build from that context.

I'm gonna try a few posts using simple declarative sentences.


Now that you mention it, I am reminded a lot of Shakespeare. Something about a tale told by .......
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