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If you have an opportunity to catch this Netflix original 2015, 10-episode production, do so. You won't be disappointed. It's a true story about legal maneuvering and suspected police corruption in a small rural town near Sheboygan, Wisconsin. I'm into episode 7 and I don't know yet how it will end, so please, no spoilers.

One thing I can assure you, is that much of this real-life drama will infuriate you when you see the tactics employed by a police and legal system to send a man to prison for two crimes, one of which he was exonerated from after spending 18 years in prison, and another which he is clearly being framed for following his release. I'm a law enforcement kind of guy and I'm sick and tired of the police being relentlessly harassed today, but this series does give pause for reflection.

Be aware that it does move a bit slowly in the first two episodes, but it picks up steam to the point of my binge-watching four episodes last night alone. Smile

I'm anxious to see your comments if you're also watching it. I'd also like to hear from the armchair and professional attorneys out there for your opinions of the legal tactics employed. I'm finding the two defense attorneys to be brilliant in their tenacity, though like I said, I still don't know the outcome.
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Apparently the series got a lot of attention. (Moreso than in here Smile )

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/01/04/th......68625962
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I intend to watch it, but nit until the semester ends. I'll come back to this thread, I promise.
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I'm watching it now. I think I'm through episode 3. It is infuriating . My wife just gets angry watching it seeing how they were so clearly framed.
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I intend to watch it, but nit until the semester ends. I'll come back to this thread, I promise.

Don't miss it, it's guaranteed to P**S you off.
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Overworked, my wife had the exact reaction as your wife did.
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As did my wife...lol...she was yelling at cops and the DA. It's made worse by fact that we're originally from Wisconsin. We remember a lot of coverage of the case when we lived there. Back then, from the media, it was a completely different story that what documentary shows.

Great series! Highly recommend it for everyone to watch.
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Yup, they are. Very curious. So let's see where it goes. The general public seems outraged.

Do you find it interesting, at least, that the A.V. Club was founded by University of Wisconsin student Stephen Thompson who founded The Onion there five years earlier in 1988?
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Well the Onion does often recommend AV club articles on their page so I figured they were the same group. I take all opinion articles with a healthy chaser of skepticism though
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Just binge watched it.

It seems clear to me that there was massive police misconduct, but I'm not convinced he's innocent.
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There's also quite a bit of evidence they don't show in the documentary...her phone, purse, and camera were in burn barrel by house, Averys non-blood DNA on hood latch after he removed battery cable, and fact he called victim 3 times that day. Twice blocking his number using *67. The third after she'd gone to apparently give himself and alibi of sorts. So I think he probably did it. But it also appears so clear of police corner up and incompetence...just mind blowing.
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Do you think someone who has been wrongly incarcerated for 18 years for a rape he didn't commit, after securing his freedom, would murder someone? Possible, I suppose, but I'm more of the opinion he was railroaded because he was suing the authorities for a lot of money, which would have been a huge embarrassment.

But, who knows? You might be right. That you binge watched it must mean that you were at least somewhat captivated by the story. Smile
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Well the Onion does often recommend AV club articles on their page so I figured they were the same group. I take all opinion articles with a healthy chaser of skepticism though

If you delve further you'll find that A.V. had to publicly apologize for a story that was completely fabricated, back in the mid-2000s, if I recall, which also says something about their credibility.

Try and watch it, I'd be curios to know what you think after seeing it.
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A bit interesting from the former D.A. As lmgmagic had mentioned

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/making-murderer......676.html
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Do you think someone who has been wrongly incarcerated for 18 years for a rape he didn't commit, after securing his freedom, would murder someone? Possible, I suppose, but I'm more of the opinion he was railroaded because he was suing the authorities for a lot of money, which would have been a huge embarrassment.

But, who knows? You might be right. That you binge watched it must mean that you were at least somewhat captivated by the story. Smile


I was, by a lot of aspects. Having lived in NYC all my life it's fascinating to watch the interactions of small town America, especially between LE and the general population.

The reasons I'm not convinced are pretty much what imgic said about what didn't make it into the documentary.

I'm also not convinced he's guilty, also for a lot of reasons. The main one being the lack of DNA evidence at the crime scene, which according to Brendan's scenario should have been impossible to scrub.

All in all it was well worth watching. Especially in this day and age when you can "research" the case online.
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Watching it as we speak, Brother, thanks for the heads up. Excellent.
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Watching it as we speak, Brother, thanks for the heads up. Excellent.

^ <like> Smile Have a great 2016 Brother! Smile
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I hate NETFLIX! I have no will power to stop the binge watching! Very tough getting up for work when you stay up until 3am watching "just one more episode!"
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I feel your pain. I watched the entire series of Breaking Bad in a few weeks!
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