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I just saw the oddest thing on the card trick section. There was a video of a guy who did card tricks and palm reading. He was charging money for the palm readings too! What on earth has palmistry got to do with card tricks? Surely one affects the credibility of the other? Mixing magic in with mentalism is bad enough I would have thought but doing magic and then reading palms for money sounds even worse and makes no sense to me.
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I think it would be better to post this video here in this thread too. Palm reading by itself isn't always mentalism at the same time. And you can use cards in mentalism. Everything depends on the context and kind of performance. There are so many more variables to consider and without the video we are just speculating to a 100%.
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Well, he is cracking gags all the time. It does seem to make the whole thing lack credibility. Still, I will find the video and post it here so you can get the context.
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If it's working then he must be doing something right.
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Mentalism rely on an illusion that can be seriously destroyed by card tricks.
Palm reading is not an illusion and is mysterious enough to be considered the kind of skill a magician would have Smile
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Card reading wouldn't be my cup of tea, but maybe best not to judge a book by it's cover.
There is some very good material about card reading to find if you just look close enough on the net or maybe even in this thread Smile
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I believe Paul Voodini had a DVD on this exact thing actually.
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I have not seen the video so cannot speak to that.

But as far as doing magic, then doing a reading, not my cup of tea, but some people do it and do it very well.
I see no problem with it.

I've also seen people juggle, then do magic, one skill does not negate another. And I know some wonderful artists who sometimes use a camera to take pictures.
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Mark is one of the best (if not the best) Svengali pitchmen in the world. That is what you are seeing here.

He is also a very good reader and has been doing it longer than many of us have been on this planet.
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Lurker - That was not a palm reading at least not a real one. I would suspect if he were asked he'd say the same. However, there could be the possibility that he does actually do readings separately but, I'm sure he would probably say the same.
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I think Mark just threw that in for the sake of it and to try and pitch his own proper readings.

He knows his stuff and has a dvd from international magic about palm reading https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4yBOE9kUj0 most of it based on Richard Websters material

He also has this course too http://www.magiciansmakingmoney.com/Psyc......s-1.html

http://www.lybrary.com/confessions-of-a-......ed506d85

I've read something from him in the past where he says not to mix magic with readings, or specifically centre tears etc when doing a reading
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Lurker - That was not a palm reading at least not a real one. I would suspect if he were asked he'd say the same. However, there could be the possibility that he does actually do readings separately but, I'm sure he would probably say the same.


Agree with Tony. Mark's an original, fabulous pitchman, and an excellent reader. When he's doing a show he will do whatever sells. He's not into flash, he's a solid worker. That palm reading was just part of his pitch play with the audience trying to entice her into a full reading.

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Here is the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3GSItQV6io


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...he's just working...he's pitching...he's not really performing as such...

he's reeling them in - good luck to him, its how he's made his money on and off for centuries now...

underneath the wind-ups and provocation, his unholiness is a kind hearted gent and know a lot about all kinds of things...

he was very kind to me many years ago now, and converted the then video of his tarot teachings onto dvd, he had to take the tapes into a shop and pay for them to be converted himself, and then he shipped them off to me...i *think* his was the first teach-in I ever watched on the tarot, and it was very good too...and I can't remember the name of the book right now, but there's a book he always recommended, I think it was a swedish author - on the tarot, that was great too..

so though he likes to provoke and have his fun on here, until he gets banned that is - underneath the monster is a helpful man who genuinely cares about his work and knows a lot about the business...
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...he's just working...he's pitching...he's not really performing as such...

he's reeling them in - good luck to him, its how he's made his money on and off for centuries now...

underneath the wind-ups and provocation, his unholiness is a kind hearted gent and know a lot about all kinds of things...

he was very kind to me many years ago now, and converted the then video of his tarot teachings onto dvd, he had to take the tapes into a shop and pay for them to be converted himself, and then he shipped them off to me...i *think* his was the first teach-in I ever watched on the tarot, and it was very good too...and I can't remember the name of the book right now, but there's a book he always recommended, I think it was a swedish author - on the tarot, that was great too..

so though he likes to provoke and have his fun on here, until he gets banned that is - underneath the monster is a helpful man who genuinely cares about his work and knows a lot about the business...


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What a great pitchman!
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I agree he is a good pitchman. I just found the palm reading a bit incongrous that's all. It is not a big deal. However, I did do a search for him out of curiosity and found he has a blog. On this blog was another video of him pitching. Here it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxwujHN0w7s
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I agree he is a good pitchman. I just found the palm reading a bit incongrous that's all. It is not a big deal. However, I did do a search for him out of curiosity and found he has a blog. On this blog was another video of him pitching. Here it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxwujHN0w7s


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Do you mean differently from him? Or do you just mean different in general? In other words are you pro or against him? Just seeking some clarification that's all.
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