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MagicVin
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On Sep 28, 2019, mentaldiego wrote:
My advice would be not to rush when buying magic especially if you are a beginner

I have the closet full of useless things and a few dollars spent on things you will never use



YES!!!!!!! THIS !!!!!!!!! You have no idea how hard this hits home with me right now.

I have been floating in and out of magic for over 25 years and can not tell you how many "self working" tricks and gimmicks I have bought over the years they are all fun to open and play with when you first get them but they quickly end up in the draw or closet. This time around I am more focused on skills spending less money (buying videos and books teaching skills rather than buying tricks) and I'm enjoying my self soooo much more and truly feel like I'm getting much more out of my experience this time around. I only wish I had gone this route much sooner, I would have saved a lot of money and been much further along in my skills.
Smile Smile Smile Magic is all around us we just have to be willing to see it.
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Take what you see in the trailers with a grain of salt. Check out as many reviews as you can find,they will usually give you some insights into whether the trick is for you or not and will save you some money.
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Beginner hobby magician here to share a slightly different perspective. Magic very much is about perception, manipulating the perspective of others, and the guiding of the impulsiveness of an audience. Clearly magicians understand the behavioral elements of the craft. So, honestly, you can't talk about this topic without actually understanding how those same things operate in a beginner hobbyist magician like me. Don't fold up your arms, but think about this for a minute.

I ran out and bought a slew of tricks on Vanishing and Penguin and it's been a year and I'm still digging through the things I bought. I'm here typing to share what I have learned. Reading advice like don't buy a bunch of tricks is solid, but honestly, you kind of have to learn that by ..... buying a bunch of tricks. Maybe some of you learned this from reading the advice, but I bet most of you like me had to learn this by buying a bunch of things that had really great trailers.

So, here is advice #1 - put it on the wish list and give it some time before you actually buy it. It will still be there and you can buy it later. Come here to the Magic Café and read about it too. Read the reviews. Try to figure out if you are experienced enough to perform the thing you are looking to buy.

I have also learned that magic works better when things I'm doing flow from one thing to the next. Magic does not work well and is clunky when you have to swap things out in an awkward sort of way in front of your audience, like putting away your invisible deck to pull out a different deck that has a different gimmick. Some magic does not lend itself very well to a transition to other magic. I have found, at least for now, that following a card trick with a coin trick can set me up to do a different card trick so long as I kept the second deck in my pocket and both decks are the same color.

So, advice #2 - is before you buy stuff, think about how you might segue from one trick to another. I bought a sharpie pen that called a Penhenge. It does what it's supposed to do, and I thought it would be a good segue from doing a coin trick where someone write on the coin to a card trick. And maybe someone might find a way to present this (remember that I'm a beginner) but I have not found figured that out. My efforts feel forced and awkward.

I'm going to stop here because I think shorter posts are easier to read and reply to. Ken
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Ken, good post and I really like how you mentioned the segue from one trick to another. I used to do a lot of kid shows with adults also in attendance. This is especially important in this situation because the kids get so bored so easily. Anyhow, another tip is to combine effects to come up with one "effect" if you will. For example, I did the coloring book, but I combined it with the breaking wand and the multiplying wands. I would have 2 specs come up, one holds the coloring book while I stand in between them. I take the (breaking) want, wave it at the book and ask the other spec to do the same. Of course, when I hand him the wand it breaks! I can get a lot of laughs here, usually doing it 3 times. Finally I give up on that wand and bring out the big wand (multiplying wands). I end up thanking the specs as they have a seat and then go through the coloring book routine. Very colorful, fast moving, audience participation kids love it.
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Ken & Vannma I talk a lot about transitions and the philosophy behind them and how to best execute them during a performance in another thread that might be of interest to you. You can check it out here: https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......forum=41

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On Sep 15, 2020, notasperfectasyou wrote:
Beginner hobby magician here to share a slightly different perspective. Magic very much is about perception, manipulating the perspective of others, and the guiding of the impulsiveness of an audience. Clearly magicians understand the behavioral elements of the craft. So, honestly, you can't talk about this topic without actually understanding how those same things operate in a beginner hobbyist magician like me. Don't fold up your arms, but think about this for a minute.

I ran out and bought a slew of tricks on Vanishing and Penguin and it's been a year and I'm still digging through the things I bought. I'm here typing to share what I have learned. Reading advice like don't buy a bunch of tricks is solid, but honestly, you kind of have to learn that by ..... buying a bunch of tricks. Maybe some of you learned this from reading the advice, but I bet most of you like me had to learn this by buying a bunch of things that had really great trailers.

So, here is advice #1 - put it on the wish list and give it some time before you actually buy it. It will still be there and you can buy it later. Come here to the Magic Café and read about it too. Read the reviews. Try to figure out if you are experienced enough to perform the thing you are looking to buy.

I have also learned that magic works better when things I'm doing flow from one thing to the next. Magic does not work well and is clunky when you have to swap things out in an awkward sort of way in front of your audience, like putting away your invisible deck to pull out a different deck that has a different gimmick. Some magic does not lend itself very well to a transition to other magic. I have found, at least for now, that following a card trick with a coin trick can set me up to do a different card trick so long as I kept the second deck in my pocket and both decks are the same color.

So, advice #2 - is before you buy stuff, think about how you might segue from one trick to another. I bought a sharpie pen that called a Penhenge. It does what it's supposed to do, and I thought it would be a good segue from doing a coin trick where someone write on the coin to a card trick. And maybe someone might find a way to present this (remember that I'm a beginner) but I have not found figured that out. My efforts feel forced and awkward.

I'm going to stop here because I think shorter posts are easier to read and reply to. Ken


Ken,

As a beginner hobbyist (as you called yourself), I think you nailed what a lot of people more experienced forget about or ignore. As a semi-pro (been doing magic for paying audiences for almost 10 years and about 50 free shows 6 years prior to get experience), the only thing I disagree about in your previous post is that an item will be available later. I have seen too many times an item is no longer available after being sold out or re-released after many years of not being on the market, especially books that are not mass marketed paperbacks. Conversely, I have seen items and effects overproduced to the point that prices are dramatically cut to reduce inventory (Murphys did this several times last year and I did pick up a bunch of items for 80% that were on my purchase list for years). Also, as you continue to grow in the art, you will find that the latest and greatest offering from magic shops are not really the latest and greatest offering. For every great release, there are 5 that are awful.

Also, love your advice for how magic should transition from one prop to the next seamlessly. There is a magic shop in town where a "performer" was performing upstairs for a paying audience. This person did one trick from a gimmicked deck. After finishing his card effect, he transitioned to his next card effect by opening up his case and pulling out the next gimmicked deck. A friend of mine that witnessed this performance said the guy's case had about 10 - 12 different decks of cards. This was how he continued for his show. After performing one card effect, put the deck in his case to pull out the next deck. Rinse. Repeat. That is not good magic in a nutshell, and I am being very polite when saying that. I know the magic shop wants to sell gimmicked decks to laypeople, but that constitutes an awful show that removes almost any element of magic. The spectator obviously will think "gimmicked decks" accomplished everything and not associate anything magical with the performer or the performance.

If you ever put on a parlor show or one-man stage show in front of an audience, one way to transition from one effect to another if the items vary (e.g., a rope effect to a card effect) is using a dump box. This way, you can quickly transition from one effect to another (I saw and learned this years ago by going to a Jeff McBride lecture 6 hours away from home. He uses an old school doctor type of bag on a chair (Jeff uses this since it is easy to transport when flying around the country. I always use a dump box when performing for younger audiences since I use various magic props (sponge balls, coin pal, wands, etc.) For shows for older audiences (teens to adults), I only use my case since I don't use large props (just wine glasses, cards, a few other items).
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Also, I sure it was mentioned, but no matter what type of magic you perform, you are best served by purchasing comprehensive, well written books that go into detail on fundamentals. For example, there have been too many times when watching a card magic dvd, the instructions for a key sleight is either rushed or overlooked completely. It is not that big of a deal now for me, but when I started out, I was lost and fell into some really bad habits. At times, I was lost. Solid, comprehensive books that clearly explain and illustrate moves are essential.

As it has been said, read reviews and research. Unfortunately, the Café has lost some of its greatest contributors such as Bob Cassidy, Dick Oslund, Pete Biro, and a few others (RIP gentlemen). However, there are a slew of contributors here that can help from their shared experiences and stories.

Good magic to all!!!
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