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Thanks for clarifying David.
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Your Welcome. I have one But it's just In Kenney Half! I would love To have Todd Make me up In Barber ! Smile It's cool Because You can do all the stuff You would do with a Solid C.S.B. But steal have a Chinese Coin! Smile I have A routine With it posted On the hardbound Book site!
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I have a very old set of Tango, which is not very good. But I think they have improved their quality a lot over the years.

I have bought a JB set last year, but I think the insert is way too thin, which doesn't look like a coin at all. There are similar opinions in this thread http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=202

Never owned a Johnson set, but all the Johnson gaffs I've used are of excellent quality.
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If you shop around you can find Johnson CSB with walking Liberty. I found one and will hold on to that! I've had regular CSB and 2 copper / 1 silver sets from Johnson, the fit is excellent of the gaffs. If you look, you can still get the Kennedy CSB with genuine centavos. I do not like the "copy" centavos as mentioned before.
Dollar CSB: Karl Hein has an IKE $200 and Morgan $325 made by Von Dokkum. Bought both versions and are excellent and I still have the Morgan. Karl's are Out of Stock currently, but let him know to put you on the waiting list. They are worth the wait!
Kueppers has an Ike CSB for I think $210 which is comparable price but do not own one.
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Thanks everyone for the comments. Currently $200 + is outside of my price bracket, much as I'd like some of the suggested sets.

Have mailed Johnson to ask about their 'copy' coins to see if that is the case for this set and/or whether they also have genuine versions available?

May end up getting the Johnson set given feedback from everyone to date. If any one could post/or PM me a picture of the 'copy' face of the Centavo/Peso that would be really helpful, as the picture on their site doesn't show this. May help me decide if this is a show stopper or not for me.

Thanks again, the contributions from Café members have been really informative.
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I got surprised by the Johnson "copia" coin when I restocked my CSB. I wanted to return, and was given the option. I decided to keep, as the offending coin can be replaced by a genuine. At least on mine, the gimmick wasn't the "copia" side.
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I was advised a long time ago on the Café to use Sally Hansen Hard as Nails clear coat on your coins. Polish them up (or not if that is your preference) and then clear coat them. It will lock in the shine by preventing oxidation and will help protect your Chinese coin from chipping. I've done it to a couple sets I own and it has worked as advertised. Something to consider...


I have used just a regular clear nail polish to maintain a constant level of color for a copper coin, but I will have to look for this brand.

Howsomeever, there are some caveats
1) if you miss spots, they will undergo further oxidation (and your coin will look like it got a bad/uneven tan
2) once the coating has dried, it may be a b***h to get off to establish a new level of patina (I've not tried, but acetone may work)
3) the coated coin will be more slippery than untreated. This would be an issue if you do a CP

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I recently found out about Tango and their TUC coins.. I was one of the ones who poo-pooed Tango due to quality. I have to say I am VERY impressed with the quality of the St Gauden's copper coins (impressive!.. Huge! ) and got the matching TUC coin ... then recently obtained a W.L. Tuc coin and am doubly impressed.. Learning a new trick (for this old dog) or more specifically a different routine is a bit of a challenge but the coins allow miracles to happen.. I haven't yet gotten a CSB set but will probably make that leap soon. For the record I have a W.L. set from both Jamie and Todd .. love them both.. but I have to tell you that after wrestling with the St Gauden's coin, the W.L. half is like a nickel in my hands.. tiny...
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On Jan 10, 2016, Kaliix wrote:
I was advised a long time ago on the Café to use Sally Hansen Hard as Nails clear coat on your coins. Polish them up (or not if that is your preference) and then clear coat them. It will lock in the shine by preventing oxidation and will help protect your Chinese coin from chipping. I've done it to a couple sets I own and it has worked as advertised. Something to consider...


I have used just a regular clear nail polish to maintain a constant level of color for a copper coin, but I will have to look for this br
Howsomeever, there are some caveats
1) if you miss spots, they will undergo further oxidation (and your coin will look like it got a bad/uneven tan
2) once the coating has dried, it may be a b***h to get off to establish a new level of patina (I've not tried, but acetone may work)
3) the coated coin will be more slippery than untreated. This would be an issue if you do a CP

John


Don't want to hijack this thread, but since there are already two posts regarding nail polish.... does it give the coin any extra 'specularity' or shine ?
Oh, by the way, acetone WILL work to remove nail polish - trust me Smile
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Carpet:

I don't have one in front of me, but I seem to remember it looking a little shinier, but not so much that you would notice it if that was the only coin you had. The feel was different, and seemed to make it harder to CP.

Of course there is one way to find out if its acceptable..

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Sharing with all direct access to my secret "CSB review" website. Enjoy!

http://ultimatecsbmagic.com/csbreview/je......2012.htm

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Go with johnson for a cheaper set
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Thanks again to everyone for your input.

Jeremy, already had found your review page and found it very informative - great photo's and really helpful having someone able to compare them all. Your DVD on the subject has made my wishlist.

Doc, thankyou for your contribution too. I am a big fan of your CSB routine (part of my reasoning for getting a set). Hadn't heard of a St Gauden coin before you mentioned it, though did have a TUC on my wishlist. Was thinking of the £2 version given I'm based in the UK but may now need to think twice.

BTW, am flattered by the responses to my humble post from some of the real greats of the magic world☺
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Overall I think Johnson is probably the best quality mass manufactured set although I think Tango is good too. Really depends on your preference of the type of Chinese Coins used. If you are looking for a half dollar CSB set those are your best two options.
If you are looking for a quarter or dollar sized set then custom coin sets are the only other way too go. As mentioned in the thread above, I currently have some Eisenhower and Morgan sets available on my website www.karlhein.com but they typically sell out pretty quickly. I recommend the Eisenhower set as a really well made relatively inexpensive custom set if you have bigger hands or need larger coins for certain routines.

Having talked to many magicians about the custom sets that I sell it seems that largely it comes down to the individual magician's preference on the types of coins in the set.

The main thing to watch out for with cheaper CSB sets is that the black on some sets of chinese coins quickly wears away making the coins not look as nice and wear away faster.

Hope that helps!
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I have one of the Morgan sets Karl sells, top notch.
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I can second tjat tango is hit or miss. I got a really good scotch and soda my friends not so much
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Obviously this is a classic coin effect that gets positive reactions etc. In my experience, most of the CSB routines I have seen performed become confusing and I think the spectators just say yes to all the questions once they lose track. That's why I have avoided this particular effect/routine. Maybe I haven't seen it done well, live and in person. Off to watch youtube offerings...

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Obviously this is a classic coin effect that gets positive reactions etc. In my experience, most of the CSB routines I have seen performed become confusing and I think the spectators just say yes to all the questions once they lose track. That's why I have avoided this particular effect/routine. Maybe I haven't seen it done well, live and in person. Off to watch youtube offerings...

Glen


Don't ask questions. It turns it into a challenge.
I'm not sure YouTube has full presentations of some of the better offerings like Bob Sheets' Triple Transpo and Karl Hein's Catch Up.
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Ouch! I didn't know that JB used a Chinese coin/English Penny gimmick.
Jim


This is no longer true, right? Or did I miss something? Their set says it comes with a Chinese [ and a Walker/English Penny gimmick. It is also nice that they give you a complete set of all 3 matching coins.
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FlightRisk:
JB (Mason/Swadling) Walker CSB is marketed so that the insert n the Shell is supposed to mimick the English Penny and transpose with the Chinese/Walking. I have a set and was mad when I shelled out $120 for one and discovered that.
HOWEVER, the insert can be reversed to show the Walking side.
To deal with the shell having a “gold” edge (because it doesn’t look like an Eng Penny either! LOL):
Gently sand the playing off the edge, which it is “silver” metal underneath.
After that simple modification it works normally like a Johnson CSB.
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