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PRINCE Inner circle 1448 Posts |
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On Apr 9, 2016, On The Offbeat wrote: Thank you for being honest and comment re this perception. Also if truth be told and others weren't so scared to speak the truth (mainly they don't because they know and are associated with card shark and stone which with a disguised avatar they too would chip and and speak honestly and the truth with out the fear of anyone knowing who they are) So there you go card shark another person who agrees and I challenge anyone to point out any post of 13 pages of where the indication is that they see a 'normal' card like card shark states and implies it does. After his sarcastic response to a genuine honest opinion by someone else of this trick of him staying within the 13 pages it implies this more than enough times. |
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Craigers Loyal user 294 Posts |
Must admit, I first too thought these were regular cards, and the effect was (as someone said above ) somewhat similar to 100th Monkey. I would have bought a product like this. Reading through the 13 pages tho, I came to realize that this was not the case. I'm one of the ones who just cannot see the point of showing a very faint card to a spectator and then showing it to the audience as blank. guess I am probably missing something, but this is definitely not for me.
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jackaboy Veteran user universities aren't interested in my 302 Posts |
Yeah I assumed it was the spec saw the full card
money saved then I guess |
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts |
To a large degree this sounds like another effect that has no real concept of what Dual Reality is.
People don't go to these shows on their own so imagine spec returns to his seat and partner says those cards were blank.."oh no that's probably because the markings were very faint"...so much for dual reality. |
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PRINCE Inner circle 1448 Posts |
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On Apr 9, 2016, Ray Chelt wrote: That's exactly what will and does happen - but both tom stone and shark fail to admit this as the truth hurts and for shark, would hurt his sales figures - hence the defence and trying to make out that so many people use this and it's fine yardy ya. This is why the majority IMO will NOT use this. Keep in mind there are others who are not on the Café to comment. I personally know 7 magicians who have bought this (even tho I warned them) and 5 won't use this for the fear not only of the above BUT more importantly it's reliability factor on taking the gamble of so many factors of this not working and taking the chance. |
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Caliban Special user 727 Posts |
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On Apr 9, 2016, Ray Chelt wrote: But even if this conversation happens, it doesn't explain how the trick was done. "How did he know which card I took, though? They were all different and I had the card held against my chest. He never touched it" Pretty much all dual reality effects are better for audiences who don't all know each other. I've yet to come across one where the dual reality aspect can withstand a conversation between the person on stage and their friend in the audience. With Factory Blanks, all that would happen is that the friend goes home perceiving the effect in the same way that the spectator on stage did - as a card trick with printed cards that they can't explain. The other hundred people in the audience will have seen you reveal cards that the participant just invented in his head. Don't forget that Paul Daniels made much of his professional reputation from the Electric Chairs - a trick that's MUCH more vulnerable to people talking after the show than this is. |
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knownmagician Regular user 120 Posts |
I'm thinking we could achieve the same effect using a regular blank deck card and we just put a small word "Ace of Club, 2 of Club, 3 of Club, etc" using a pencil and write somewhere in the corner of the blank deck. (just a faint marking). It should be could not bee seen at the distance.
Or just hire a stooge to help. |
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts |
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On Apr 10, 2016, knownmagician wrote: I was having the exact same thought. And that's where the impression that this deck is something a lot cleverer is very misleading...this is something you could replicate with a blank deck and a pencil. |
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts |
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On Apr 10, 2016, Caliban wrote: Electric Chairs is stooges or instant stooges, not "Dual Reality"...so it's not the same thing at all. |
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Fire Starter Inner circle 4809 Posts |
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On Apr 9, 2016, knownmagician wrote: I was interested in purchaing this deck untill I read through the thread and I came up with a method I am more happy with.Mind Control deck and another deck of cards I can acheive DR,2 people on stage and the audiance, Boom job done,similar effect and 100% foolproof. |
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TStone V.I.P. Stockholm, Sweden 769 Posts |
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On Apr 10, 2016, Ray Chelt wrote: Actually, my first prototype was like that. Unfortunately, pencil is visible from a longer distance that one would assume. Feel free to check and compare. It wasn't until Tomas Blomberg reminded me that a high-pass filter also work on line art that it came together. |
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TStone V.I.P. Stockholm, Sweden 769 Posts |
The retina consist of light sensitive brain tissue that is called "photoreceptor cells". They are of two types, rods and cones. Rods provide black-and-white vision. Cones provide color.
These cells are finite in number and the retina is finite in resolution. Agreed? Details smaller than the width of a rod gets averaged with the surroundings. Correct? Let's say that a pencil line is 12% grey. Up close, the line is thick enough to register on several rods in width, and we see a 12% gray line. But at a distance where the line appear thinner than the width of a rod, it becomes averaged with the background (0% gray on a regular blank card). That means that at the distance the graphics on Factory Blanks get invisible, we can still see the faint 6% ( (12+0)/2) gray lines if done with pencil. Pencil require at least 2-4 times the distance. |
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PRINCE Inner circle 1448 Posts |
Also a lot of spectators will and do struggle to even see the card when shown to them close up (to which you get the spectator really struggling to see the card as in toms performance vid of seeing them struggling) Even with the additional environment conditions checks you have to inconvientaly take into consideration before even performing it, there will still be the gamble of them hopefully being able to comfortably see the card - unless you constantly do the test before until you hit with someone it works on.
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
Sorry, but BS! Even if you repeatedly state that. I have shown and used this deck in all possible lighting conditions. Would not use it in a dim bar, but otherwise it worked everywhere.
Expert in playing card production for magicians.
The Person Who Says It cannot Be Done Should Not Interrupt The Person Doing It! Chinese Proverb |
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PRINCE Inner circle 1448 Posts |
Yeeeeeeah - according to the dealer who HAS to say that in order for this helping pay his bills for the sales lol.
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PRINCE Inner circle 1448 Posts |
Also are you really that stupid and dull card shark to even post a ridiculous comment about the only apparent restriction is dim lighting!!! You seem to be forgetting only a few pages ago when we discussed the poor performance of tom stone and when the spectator really struggled to see the card was because of apparent 'glare' from lighting on the card you used as the poor excuse that's why she apparently couldn't see it or had a job to see it - which means strong lighting. Yet now you saying the only thing to worry about is dim lighting Hahahaha
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
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On Apr 10, 2016, PRINCE wrote: No, according to the designer of the cards (that I am) and several test prints with different grey tones to find the right balance between appearing white and being easily seen. Thanks for calling me ***, shows your real attitude.
Expert in playing card production for magicians.
The Person Who Says It cannot Be Done Should Not Interrupt The Person Doing It! Chinese Proverb |
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PRINCE Inner circle 1448 Posts |
Hahahaha - yeah righto. I don't care any anyone who in the slightest may even be considering wrongfully buying this would or should not listen to a word you say. You are completely biased and will say and do anything just to get the sales. I and others have seen it proven on here and again I have caught you out by LYING saying the only thing to worry about is dim light when evidence proven that's not the only thing you have to worry about when it comes to just the lighting issue alone (like mentioned above) - apart from all the other limitations, cautions etc this offers summarizing this to be more than a potential for a fail when performing to which I know and you know so many jumped on the hype train which they have now jumped off seeing it's not all cracked up to be what they hoped for - resulting in a back of the drawer trick. Sad but true get over it and take it on the chin.
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts |
There appears to have been some misunderstanding about the nature of the cards which has caused concern.
There is also the slightly erroneous labelling, for me, of this as Dual Reality. In essence it feels like it's verging into Instant Stooge. However, recognising the concerns, limitations and risks, this still seems like it's eminently workable in the right hands. Essentially I feel that, if the ad copy could have been more explicit, this one wouldn't disappoint people who knew what they were getting. This is the age old issue, particularly with mentalist effects. Anyway, people buying now after reading this painfully long thread should be happy with what they get. |
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PRINCE Inner circle 1448 Posts |
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On Apr 10, 2016, Ray Chelt wrote: Yes your right Ray, especially your above post quotes. That's of course if people still decide to buy. Those that do, like Ray said you shouldn't be disappointed as the warnings about all the risks, limitations etc etc have been pointed out more than enough times. |
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