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Hi guys! Just want to know if you guys have any suggestion or any advice for young mentalist like me. Do you think that your age and your appearance matter in mentalism? I did the quick search and use the key "young mentalist" but I could not find any advice and suggestion.

Thank you!
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Well it depends if by young you mean 18 or 7
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Start here

Know your premise and character
Does it fit you? Intellectually? Morally? Spiritually?

Know your audience
Does your character and premise have a natural opposition or lack of credibility from the audience?

Good luck
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Well it depends if by young you mean 18 or 7

I am 19 years old Smile
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That's not that young, I'm 19 actually Smile

Anyway, I don't really have problems with selling what I do as real, if I was 15 than that would make it harder.
Just believe what you're doing is real and you can present it in any way you want.
If you want to chat more about it than you can pm me.

Btw, didn't Luke Jermay start performing at 16 or something?
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Not everyone is luke jermay...
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One piece of advice: if you are serious, sign up for Bob Cassidy's consulting services.

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I would say to caregully consider the material you perform, your persona, and your abilities.
Seeing a younger performer do super memory, mind reading, and ESP effects present no issues I can think of, but having a youngster perform a Q&A act may not fly.

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My advice for young mentalists would be:

• Find 5 or 6 methods that you find very comfortable, and work with them for a nice long period of time, 3 months, 6 months, a couple of years, whatever...your mileage will vary.

• Devise various premises and work with them during this time. See what attracts you, see what works easiest, see what works best in your audiences' reactions...

Do this and you'll be excellent at each stage of your growth. This is important, because if you're excellent at whatever you are doing. your audience will never know what you DON'T know, they'll never know the limitations of your knowledge, education or experience,,,they'll assume all of you is as good as your best.

•Remember this little saying: "Customers Respond Holistically!" That means they respond as if it's all a Hologram. If you cut a hologram in half, in quarters, in 16ths, each individual part contains the whole picture. Importantly, that works backwards too. If I see your resume with wrinkles and coffee stains all over it, I can expect your life to be in the same shape. That little bit contains the big picture (whether or not it is true, the customer thinks it is so). If the front of a restaurant is dirty, you assume all the rest of the restaurant is just as dirty.

So: Customers respond Holistically. If you are performing and each thing you do is excellent, the customer, the audience will assume everything else you do is equally excellent. They don't think that you only have 8 things in your repetoire, they think you know an infinite number of excellent tests, demos, etc. and your abilities cover a great expanse. Be excellent at each step, each level. Take your time to be so.

• Try a bit of each kind of venue, if you can manage that. Closeup...ambush, coffeeshop, platform, 'parlor' and stage. See which you prefer, which challenges you and which you hate, if any (in my case I've always HATED strolling banquets while people are gumming their greenbeans).

• Don't rush things, don't blow thru a hundred effects trying to find the 'best' ones. What's best for you WILL be different that what's best for others. You'll always be better with effects that use methods you like rather than new popular effects using methods you don't like. Clumsy methods result in mediocrity.
Restrict your purchases of whizbang devices and new tricks. Work with what you're comfortable with until it's all muscle memory and a part of you. Then expand a bit and repeat. Don't be afraid to toss that new thang that just doesn't work as well for you. In the long run, it's more expensive to use it than to toss it. Shelve it, swap it, sell it or junk it. You will waste a lot of money....it's the price of your entry and education. Save the stuff you think you may be able to use years down the road. Toss the rest. If you need it later, you'll be able to re-buy it. Until then, don't perform stuff you don't like just because that effect is popular at the moment...and don't feel guilty about it.

2nd Question: Does age and appearance matter? Age doesn't but appearance does...that doesn't mean you have to don some sort of spooky and mysterious BS like dressing all in black (why choose to be invisible onstage??), it means be clean and neat. The advice usually is to dress at or above your audience's level.

• The age thing is addressed in your Mitox, your overall claims, your groundwork premise. Read MITOX. Easy...but remember you're not the World's Best anything yet...too young. Likewise, no one is going to believe a 22 year old is Swami Hoozit the Yogi Master. Don't worry too much about Persona yet....some people CANNOT perform under their own personality, they need a mask. Others' attempts at 'masks' may be poorly chosen and just ridiculous, they're bettor off with their own personality. If you are young, you probably have some time before needing to address that. Grow into your preferences.


So, to sum up my one piece of advice: Be excellent at each stage of the game. Don't rush. Grow slow and grow strong. You'll know when to expand.
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On Jan 13, 2016, pcrpttc wrote:
Do you think that your age and your appearance matter in mentalism?


Look at Colin Mcleod! Smile
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On Jan 13, 2016, Tom Jorgenson wrote:
My advice for young mentalists would be:

• Find 5 or 6 methods that you find very comfortable, and work with them for a nice long period of time, 3 months, 6 months, a couple of years, whatever...your mileage will vary.

• Devise various premises and work with them during this time. See what attracts you, see what works easiest, see what works best in your audiences' reactions...

Do this and you'll be excellent at each stage of your growth. This is important, because if you're excellent at whatever you are doing. your audience will never know what you DON'T know, they'll never know the limitations of your knowledge, education or experience,,,they'll assume all of you is as good as your best.

•Remember this little saying: "Customers Respond Holistically!" That means they respond as if it's all a Hologram. If you cut a hologram in half, in quarters, in 16ths, each individual part contains the whole picture. Importantly, that works backwards too. If I see your resume with wrinkles and coffee stains all over it, I can expect your life to be in the same shape. That little bit contains the big picture (whether or not it is true, the customer thinks it is so). If the front of a restaurant is dirty, you assume all the rest of the restaurant is just as dirty.

So: Customers respond Holistically. If you are performing and each thing you do is excellent, the customer, the audience will assume everything else you do is equally excellent. They don't think that you only have 8 things in your repetoire, they think you know an infinite number of excellent tests, demos, etc. and your abilities cover a great expanse. Be excellent at each step, each level. Take your time to be so.

• Try a bit of each kind of venue, if you can manage that. Closeup...ambush, coffeeshop, platform, 'parlor' and stage. See which you prefer, which challenges you and which you hate, if any (in my case I've always HATED strolling banquets while people are gumming their greenbeans).

• Don't rush things, don't blow thru a hundred effects trying to find the 'best' ones. What's best for you WILL be different that what's best for others. You'll always be better with effects that use methods you like rather than new popular effects using methods you don't like. Clumsy methods result in mediocrity.
Restrict your purchases of whizbang devices and new tricks. Work with what you're comfortable with until it's all muscle memory and a part of you. Then expand a bit and repeat. Don't be afraid to toss that new thang that just doesn't work as well for you. In the long run, it's more expensive to use it than to toss it. Shelve it, swap it, sell it or junk it. You will waste a lot of money....it's the price of your entry and education. Save the stuff you think you may be able to use years down the road. Toss the rest. If you need it later, you'll be able to re-buy it. Until then, don't perform stuff you don't like just because that effect is popular at the moment...and don't feel guilty about it.

2nd Question: Does age and appearance matter? Age doesn't but appearance does...that doesn't mean you have to don some sort of spooky and mysterious BS like dressing all in black (why choose to be invisible onstage??), it means be clean and neat. The advice usually is to dress at or above your audience's level.

• The age thing is addressed in your Mitox, your overall claims, your groundwork premise. Read MITOX. Easy...but remember you're not the World's Best anything yet...too young. Likewise, no one is going to believe a 22 year old is Swami Hoozit the Yogi Master. Don't worry too much about Persona yet....some people CANNOT perform under their own personality, they need a mask. Others' attempts at 'masks' may be poorly chosen and just ridiculous, they're bettor off with their own personality. If you are young, you probably have some time before needing to address that. Grow into your preferences.


So, to sum up my one piece of advice: Be excellent at each stage of the game. Don't rush. Grow slow and grow strong. You'll know when to expand.


Thank you so much for taking your time and wrote all of this useful information here! This is very helpful to me. Thank you Smile
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Start here

Know your premise and character
Does it fit you? Intellectually? Morally? Spiritually?

Know your audience
Does your character and premise have a natural opposition or lack of credibility from the audience?

Good luck


Pay attention also to this post, maybe now you are worried about techniques but you'll be grateful to every second you spend thinking about your anaswers to these questions.
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Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ_XLacO4UI

Banachek was 20 years old or so in this videoclip Smile

Of course, as Iain would say, not everyone is Banachek...

Good luck buddy!
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That's way cool.

He was using a playing card too! LOL

Thanks for sharing.

Advice would be to read Bob Cassidy's The Artful Mentalism of Bob Cassidy Volume 2 (among other excellent books)
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Some fantastic advice here!
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Read the older books, like the stuff from Robert A. Nelson.
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It's easy to get hooked on the amazing gizmos that help, however; I would Learn the fundamental of mentalism first. . It's an on going Journey with a ton of education that's always available! If you are Absolutely new to the mentalism world I recommend holding off buying the expensive effects. Buy books and DVD and learn as much as possible. Learn who you are as a Perfomer. What are your "powers" you want to show. Even more important What is your message to the audience? Create a show that's less about you and more about your audience! This is really a craft that running before you can isn't always the best. I've made this mistake in the past. So I stress buy books and DVDs then if it suits you, look into a lot of the great products that are out there. It's really important how you deliver the information, how you get there info really isn't as important, although you'll learn so many ways to get it! Getting to Know the art through 13 steps, Bob Cassidy, Larry Becker, Osterlind and many more.. " The list is huge" Is the first steps. Steven Young is also someone I recommend you look into
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On Jan 13, 2016, Tom Jorgenson wrote:
My advice for young mentalists would be:

• Find 5 or 6 methods that you find very comfortable, and work with them for a nice long period of time, 3 months, 6 months, a couple of years, whatever...your mileage will vary.

• Devise various premises and work with them during this time. See what attracts you, see what works easiest, see what works best in your audiences' reactions...

Do this and you'll be excellent at each stage of your growth. This is important, because if you're excellent at whatever you are doing. your audience will never know what you DON'T know, they'll never know the limitations of your knowledge, education or experience,,,they'll assume all of you is as good as your best.

•Remember this little saying: "Customers Respond Holistically!" That means they respond as if it's all a Hologram. If you cut a hologram in half, in quarters, in 16ths, each individual part contains the whole picture. Importantly, that works backwards too. If I see your resume with wrinkles and coffee stains all over it, I can expect your life to be in the same shape. That little bit contains the big picture (whether or not it is true, the customer thinks it is so). If the front of a restaurant is dirty, you assume all the rest of the restaurant is just as dirty.

So: Customers respond Holistically. If you are performing and each thing you do is excellent, the customer, the audience will assume everything else you do is equally excellent. They don't think that you only have 8 things in your repetoire, they think you know an infinite number of excellent tests, demos, etc. and your abilities cover a great expanse. Be excellent at each step, each level. Take your time to be so.

• Try a bit of each kind of venue, if you can manage that. Closeup...ambush, coffeeshop, platform, 'parlor' and stage. See which you prefer, which challenges you and which you hate, if any (in my case I've always HATED strolling banquets while people are gumming their greenbeans).

• Don't rush things, don't blow thru a hundred effects trying to find the 'best' ones. What's best for you WILL be different that what's best for others. You'll always be better with effects that use methods you like rather than new popular effects using methods you don't like. Clumsy methods result in mediocrity.
Restrict your purchases of whizbang devices and new tricks. Work with what you're comfortable with until it's all muscle memory and a part of you. Then expand a bit and repeat. Don't be afraid to toss that new thang that just doesn't work as well for you. In the long run, it's more expensive to use it than to toss it. Shelve it, swap it, sell it or junk it. You will waste a lot of money....it's the price of your entry and education. Save the stuff you think you may be able to use years down the road. Toss the rest. If you need it later, you'll be able to re-buy it. Until then, don't perform stuff you don't like just because that effect is popular at the moment...and don't feel guilty about it.

2nd Question: Does age and appearance matter? Age doesn't but appearance does...that doesn't mean you have to don some sort of spooky and mysterious BS like dressing all in black (why choose to be invisible onstage??), it means be clean and neat. The advice usually is to dress at or above your audience's level.

• The age thing is addressed in your Mitox, your overall claims, your groundwork premise. Read MITOX. Easy...but remember you're not the World's Best anything yet...too young. Likewise, no one is going to believe a 22 year old is Swami Hoozit the Yogi Master. Don't worry too much about Persona yet....some people CANNOT perform under their own personality, they need a mask. Others' attempts at 'masks' may be poorly chosen and just ridiculous, they're bettor off with their own personality. If you are young, you probably have some time before needing to address that. Grow into your preferences.


So, to sum up my one piece of advice: Be excellent at each stage of the game. Don't rush. Grow slow and grow strong. You'll know when to expand.



Great advice!
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Try not to let your mentalism become constrained to the mode of knowing some piece of information you shouldn't know. That is a dead end thematically, but is admittedly the place to begin (unless you feel a particular fondness for psychokinetic effects).

As soon as possible (right now!) start thinking in terms of dramatic arc of your routines. Every good routine needs exposition, building of tension, release of the tension then the final unexpected twist or outcome. In any case, there needs to be meaning and drama, for without those, while a routine might prove somewhat entertaining and puzzling, it will not be moving or truly mystifying. Even for "off the shelf" effects or full routines (they are not always the same thing) you must explicitly understand the dramatic arc.

Realize that you must learn to really "sell" a routine. You must find a way of really getting people to buy into what is happening with an *emotional investment*. In short, they have to care what is happening and going to happen! That requires real acting chops so seek training in acting of some sort. You may be a natural actor and only need a few books to bring out your natural ability or you might want to seek out an acting class or coach.

I personally would not obsess too much with character or persona. For now, just be an exaggerated version of yourself. Eventually you will discover how you wish to be perceived by your audiences and you will naturally develop a richer, more defined character that you see as an almost separate entity from your everyday self. I personally think this is healthy though others find that they are more comfortable "living their character". Whatever works for you but at the start, it can slow you down if you think too much about "who your character is" and that sort of thing.

Avoid any electronic or technological methods until you can perform a half dozen or so perfectly *stunning* routines using "traditional" methods. You will never regret this.

Just my opinions and experiences.
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It may help to watch movies that feature a young teenage psychic character. Audiences are able to accept a young person having powers, if you play it right. Drawing upon these films for inspiration for your particular backstory may help you flesh out your onstage persona. Typically a gift comes with a price, so consider having a specific flaw that compensates for your special ability.
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