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BillyAcre
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I've been playing around and come up with a deck that has no words or numbers.

How do you think a sitter in a private reading would react?

How would YOU react to such a deck?

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Marc O
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Looks very nice.
Without words or numbers there is more room for interpretation.
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Probably closer to original design without the words. I do like how they look and think they leave more to the imagination and "intuition" or the reader. From a sitters perspective they probably do not care. - health - love - money. That is it.
Depending on how you read if it is intuitively from the picture or if you are using a system could also effect how the readings go.


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I believe the sitter does not care (it could even be more impresive for some sitters that consider that you need to know you cards a lot better to use such a deck), plus, it looks very nice Smile
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For most part, a sitter would not know the difference.

I don't care for the Waite-Smith deck. Waite was a very clever librarian and scholar, but in my opinion, trying to squeeze the Golden Dawn magic system into this tarot was over reaching, I don"t agree with some of the changes he made in the structure, plus the artwork was plagiarized.

As for,doing readings without the numbers or names, a well versed reader can read anything. I do prefer the numbers and names as they aid in explaining the card to the sitter; but I can, and have, worked with decks without these.

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If you want to get away from associations like names, numbers and attributions, you could use a Dixit deck: http://www.igromaster.com/images/dixit_3/dixit_3_02.jpg
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By eliminating the numbers and just using pictures to interpret the cards might get the sitter to focus on the card and its art a little more closely -- but it also eliminates the blend of numerology into reading mix. Even though I rarely use the numbers for the raw data -- sometimes they offer a tie to a sitter's date, magic number, or can add up to someting different.

There are a number of meditation decks of just pictures -- and these can be a treat for some sitters -- but the Rider-Waite and its images/numbers are a complete system that has had soooooo much written about it that tampering with it seems to be using tie better used to develop something new.

Just my opinion though -- having some 75 different decks in my usable collection -- and some 15-or 20 additional I will never use for verious reasons.
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I would say that the absence of numbers and words is not a problem. In fact this format places am emphasis on the patterns in the image. If we accept that the patterns are what actually motivates readings of anything, then this approach opens the door to massive interpretation which is always a good thing.
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I think there are 3 'levels' to learning the cards. First, you write the meanings on them all. Second level, you know their names and meanings, and don't need the notations. The 3rd level is when you know them so well you don't need the physical cards. You imagine the layout and the cards fill in by themselves in your brain.

Your non-textual deck fits just fine between steps 2 and 3 and I would imagine would be a nice help and a very interesting deck to play with. Go for it!
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On Jan 15, 2016, Tony Iacoviello wrote:


I don't care for the Waite-Smith deck. Waite was a very clever librarian and scholar, but in my opinion, trying to squeeze the Golden Dawn magic system into this tarot was over reaching, I don"t agree with some of the changes he made in the structure, plus the artwork was plagiarized.

Tony


My understanding is that he deliberately left out or changed details to preserve the secrecy of the Golden Dawn's teachings.

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The Rider-Waite deck is of historical significance because it was the first deck to have illustrated minors. However, I find the artwork crude and not to my liking. Since then, there have been many decks that I consider much more artistic. However, the R-W is the best-selling deck of all time, and because of this, many books use it as a reference point.

The Crowley Thoth deck actually does a far better job of representing the Golden Dawn system and I really like the overall style used, but many folks have a negative reaction to Crowley (plus the minors are more evocative of a particular emotion rather than an allegorical representation of its meaning.

Now there's a plethora of decks, and a reader will be able to find a deck that appeals to their specific aesthetic sense. In the end, the cards are merely a collection of symbols, which are interpreted by the reader as a springboard for a cold read. There's no reason why a deck needs numbers or words, and I applaud the effort to produce a deck that's simply images.
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Actually, it was not the first deck to iilustrate the minors. In fact, many of the "illustrations" of the minors were copied from the Sola-Busca tarot deck (which does have "artwork for all the minors and is from the 15th Century). The Sola-Busca artwork is so much richer than the illustrations in the Waite-Smith deck.

It was one of the first (just a couple hundred years later than the Sola-Busca), and it was the first commercial deck to layer the tarot with the esoteric symbolism from the Golden Dawn tradition.

An exploration of the magic side of tarot can be found in Donald Tyson's book, Portable Magic

Alieister Crowley followed up on the Waite-Smith deck with his own, less commercially successful, Thoth deck. He reversed several of the changes made by Waite and changed meanings of the cards and their magical connotations from what Waite had published. Crowley considered Waite an enemy and competition.
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Ah, yes . . . I had forgotten about the Sola Busca deck.

Thank you for the correction.
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No numbers or words creates greater freedom to use ones intuition and to run with the imagery - no bad thing.
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I would say no names and numbers removes structure so creates less of a system to hang readings on....

Its all up to the individual. It makes no difference to the sitter. It just means as a reader you have less to read or play with unless of course you've memorized everything.

Horses for courses...
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I like the originals. But then I had them since dot.
BillyAcre
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I can remember the numbers and words on the cards.
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I like the mystery that a wordless deck holds. However, if we are speaking strictly tarot, numbers are far too important for their meaning and correlations between each other. I think they are a necessity to understanding tarot's path. Don't forget, numbers are symbols too, and they carry meaning for your sitter whether they are aware of their place IN the cards or not.
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Just a thought - I imagine you'd be in trouble with the copyright police if you tried to sell a pack like that.

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What is the thinking/reasoning behind removing the names and values?
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