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At least that is the feeling here generally.

Terrorists attacks have become the norm worldwide it seems.

It could've been much worse.

RIP to the victims, I do have some family there. They're all safe.
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Glad your family is safe, Pakar. The world is going through a terribly degenerate stage. And the idiotic PC-madness is not helping to prevent further atrocities.
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Thank you.

And yes.
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Unfortunately, you are correct Pakar. At one time you could avoid the troublespots in the world. That's certainly not the case now.

Stay safe Pakar.
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Glad to hear your family is safe.

We are, indeed, in another very difficult time. Reminds me of the 1970s, but without the frequent coups.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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Unfortunately, you are correct Pakar. At one time you could avoid the troublespots in the world. That's certainly not the case now.

Stay safe Pakar.


Speaking as an American it is possible to avoid the areas, to an extent now, and more so in the future.

We simply don't visit those countries and let them suffer economically.
On a deeper level we can withdraw our troops AND all our financial aid, and let them destroy themselves.

This way we don't waste desperately needed resources, and, much more importantly lives, in a futile effort to reconcile our ideology with their, diametrically opposite ideology.

Of course we don't really give a dammn about helping them, and our soldiers die in the name of weapons sales and oil deals.

But don't say that or they'll call you a traitor who hates the vets.

Again, and as often as necessary, YOU CAN'T BOMB AN IDEOLOGY, nor can you change it by force.

That won't stop our so called leaders from leading the sheeple in this country in a rousing chorus of Jingo Bells, while they bleed us dry.

USA! USA! USA!
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Unfortunately, you are correct Pakar. At one time you could avoid the troublespots in the world. That's certainly not the case now.

Stay safe Pakar.


Speaking as an American it is possible to avoid the areas, to an extent now, and more so in the future.

We simply don't visit those countries and let them suffer economically.
On a deeper level we can withdraw our troops AND all our financial aid, and let them destroy themselves.

This way we don't waste desperately needed resources, and, much more importantly lives, in a futile effort to reconcile our ideology with their, diametrically opposite ideology.

Of course we don't really give a dammn about helping them, and our soldiers die in the name of weapons sales and oil deals.

But don't say that or they'll call you a traitor who hates the vets.

Again, and as often as necessary, YOU CAN'T BOMB AN IDEOLOGY, nor can you change it by force.

That won't stop our so called leaders from leading the sheeple in this country in a rousing chorus of Jingo Bells, while they bleed us dry.

USA! USA! USA!


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USA! USA! USA!


Well, at least the great state of Wisconsin is trying to stop an ideology by banning chants like this starting at the High School level
http://www.kare11.com/story/sports/2016/......8891070/

I'm glad I won't be around to see what the next generation will be beaten down to by the PC Police. It never ceases to amaze me that the Westboro Baptist Idiots are protected by "Free Speech" no matter how offensive but the rest of our culture backs down to "safe spaces" and now - no smack talk at a sporting event??? (smack talk used to drive me to play better and make them eat those words) - just sayin.
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There is nothing wrong with national pride so long as it's well founded and based on objective factors.

This country lost the right to tout it's superiority, on all levels, a long time ago.

A country whose government is openly bought and sold has no business touting it's political system as superior, or to call itself a democracy.

A country that goes to war under the ruse of humanitarian issues, when it's real motive is profit for a select few, has no business even speaking about the moral high ground.

A country 17 TRILLION in debt, with a crumbling infrastructure, a broken education system, tens of millions on welfare, systemic racism issues, a rapidly disappearing middle class, etc. etc. etc., has no business advising ANYONE about ANYTHING.
Yet with the arrogance of a moron we interfere with the inner workings of other countries on a daily basis.

Then we have the audacity to wonder why the hatred we create comes home to roost.

But lets just drop more bombs and send more troops to die in an ongoing fools errand.

As PoofDaddy said I won't be around to see how this farce plays out. But my son will and it makes me sick to think of what's being left to his, and future generations.
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There is nothing wrong with national pride so long as it's well founded and based on objective factors.

This country lost the right to tout it's superiority, on all levels, a long time ago.

A country whose government is openly bought and sold has no business touting it's political system as superior, or to call itself a democracy.

A country that goes to war under the ruse of humanitarian issues, when it's real motive is profit for a select few, has no business even speaking about the moral high ground.

A country 17 TRILLION in debt, with a crumbling infrastructure, a broken education system, tens of millions on welfare, systemic racism issues, a rapidly disappearing middle class, etc. etc. etc., has no business advising ANYONE about ANYTHING.
Yet with the arrogance of a moron we interfere with the inner workings of other countries on a daily basis.

Then we have the audacity to wonder why the hatred we create comes home to roost.

But lets just drop more bombs and send more troops to die in an ongoing fools errand.

As PoofDaddy said I won't be around to see how this farce plays out. But my son will and it makes me sick to think of what's being left to his, and future generations.

You've summed it up quite succinctly.
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Unfortunately, you are correct Pakar. At one time you could avoid the troublespots in the world. That's certainly not the case now.

Stay safe Pakar.


Speaking as an American it is possible to avoid the areas, to an extent now, and more so in the future.

We simply don't visit those countries and let them suffer economically.
On a deeper level we can withdraw our troops AND all our financial aid, and let them destroy themselves.

This way we don't waste desperately needed resources, and, much more importantly lives, in a futile effort to reconcile our ideology with their, diametrically opposite ideology.

Of course we don't really give a dammn about helping them, and our soldiers die in the name of weapons sales and oil deals.

But don't say that or they'll call you a traitor who hates the vets.

Again, and as often as necessary, YOU CAN'T BOMB AN IDEOLOGY, nor can you change it by force.

That won't stop our so called leaders from leading the sheeple in this country in a rousing chorus of Jingo Bells, while they bleed us dry.

USA! USA! USA!


WOW!!!


I know Acesover, very sad indeed.....
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On Jan 17, 2016, NYCTwister wrote:
There is nothing wrong with national pride so long as it's well founded and based on objective factors.

This country lost the right to tout it's superiority, on all levels, a long time ago.

A country whose government is openly bought and sold has no business touting it's political system as superior, or to call itself a democracy.

A country that goes to war under the ruse of humanitarian issues, when it's real motive is profit for a select few, has no business even speaking about the moral high ground.

A country 17 TRILLION in debt, with a crumbling infrastructure, a broken education system, tens of millions on welfare, systemic racism issues, a rapidly disappearing middle class, etc. etc. etc., has no business advising ANYONE about ANYTHING.
Yet with the arrogance of a moron we interfere with the inner workings of other countries on a daily basis.

Then we have the audacity to wonder why the hatred we create comes home to roost.

But lets just drop more bombs and send more troops to die in an ongoing fools errand.

As PoofDaddy said I won't be around to see how this farce plays out. But my son will and it makes me sick to think of what's being left to his, and future generations.


Interesting. You almost sound like America has declined and not gotten any better as many here say it has.
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Sixty years ago we were the undisputed leader in all areas, wealth, intellect, productivity etc.

Now we are the greatest debtor, near the bottom in education, and we have sent production to other countries to our great detriment.

If you know me, as you should by now, then you know that I don't respond to what an undefined "many" say, but I will respond if YOU tell me how we are better as a whole.
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Interesting. You almost sound like America has declined and not gotten any better as many here say it has.


I am all about the USA and to this day, would fight and die for my country in a heartbeat. I am former Army (many years ago) and my son currently serves in the US Navy. (I couldn't be prouder) but I really think that we (The United States of America) have been sliding down a slippery slope for so many years, we are about to spin out of control. I look around at so many things like "safe spaces" "pc culture" "war on police" "proposed gun control" plus countless other things that are "suddenly" popping up and can only think - this is not the America I grew up in. I really hope it can improve but I fear we are past the point of no return (to the Great Country we once were).

And back on topic, It really is sad that we now measure death in terms of "Only "xxxx" people were senselessly killed today"
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" The great country we once were"
What year(s) are you specifically referring to?
I don't recall a safe and worry-free golden age.
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Prior to 9/11/01 I can recall 37 years of not worrying about large scale terrorism on US soil. I recall people respecting their elders (and authority) much more than today. I do not recall daily news stories about failing world economies. The people I went to college with knew and understood that "we" were paying for it and it was not a right but a privilege. In high school, bullying was common and it gave me tougher skin (there was not any litigation involved). "Sticks and Stones" was a common way of thinking and hurt feelings were common (and went away, and you grew) But I live in "middle America" and it may have been different in other areas. (maybe I lived a sheltered life)
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I wouldn't say a sheltered life, more like a nostalgic one (what I call seeing the world through Norman Rockwell glasses).
The good old days have never truly existed. They simply seem better due to our nostalgic view of the past. In truth, each era had its horrendous problems.
One could readily say that Pearl Harbor had an impact equal to 911, and that the Civil War was worse than either.
We sometimes forget about things like the 1950s Cold War paranoia, bomb shelters, the HUAC and the Cuban Missle Crisis.
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I can agree with your point there. I guess what I am trying to say is - I was lucky to spend most of my life (so far) between horrific tragedies. When I served in the Army the only thing that really happened was Grenada. People now serving have lived most of their lives with one war or another going on in the middle east. It is also entirely possible that I worry more now because my son serves in the Navy and there is conflict where most of "my life" I was not personally affected by the occasional conflict.
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I sometimes say that Gerald Ford 'pardoned' me--he technically shut down Selective Service on the actual day of my 18th birthday.
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