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Http://www.businessinsider.com/military-......-2011-10

Numbers 1,4,7,8,9,10,13 and 14 are particularly disgusting.

Is this really necessary for the defense of THIS country?

Is anyone about to invade us? No.

What justification for spending more on war than ALL 50 states spend on health, safety, EDUCATION and welfare COMBINED?

Why do we allow it?

Anyone who says that this is necessary to fight them over "there", so we don't have to fight them over here, is a fool.
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On Jan 17, 2016, NYCTwister wrote:... anyone who says that this is necessary to fight them over "there", so we don't have to fight them over here, is a fool.


How so?
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On Jan 17, 2016, NYCTwister wrote:... who says that this is necessary to fight them over "there", so we don't have to fight them over here, is a fool.


How so?


What...no word salad?

For one all that we've done by fighting over "there" is create more problems, more enemies and more hatred towards us, with NO return. Except for the arms manufacturers. They are getting a nice return.

Please don't come back with an argument from ignorance and say that since we don't get attacked on a daily basis that it must be because all this, imo, waste is the reason.

What have we gotten Jonathan?
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...For one all that we've done by fighting over "there" is create more problems, more enemies and more hatred towards us, with NO return. Except for the arms manufacturers. They are getting a nice return...

Okay so we know it's good for business - maybe that's not a return for your or me but it's selling product.

I have not heard much about foreign policy recently. What have you heard that you think would invite less hatred?
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...For one all that we've done by fighting over "there" is create more problems, more enemies and more hatred towards us, with NO return. Except for the arms manufacturers. They are getting a nice return...

Okay so we know it's good for business - maybe that's not a return for your or me but it's selling product.

I have not heard much about foreign policy recently. What have you heard that you think would invite less hatred?


I've read many articles about how the average person in these countries comes to hate us because they look around and see the devastation that our meddling has caused in THEIR lives. They, the people we pretend to care about, don't see the value of our involvement.

Did you read the article?

Do you think this is money well spent?
80% of individual tax revenue spent by the Pentagon?

The fact that you can make such statements about "moving product" and "return on investment for some" with a straight face is disgusting.

WHAT HAVE WE GOTTEN JONATHAN?
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... how the average person in these countries comes to hate us ...

WHAT HAVE WE GOTTEN JONATHAN?


I've been reading such since learning to read - the term "ugly American" comes to mind from back then - also some paragraphs in the middle of the book 1984.

Have you read any proposed policy that would be less disgusting?
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On the up side, military spending is a constant source of economic stimulation. It's a socialist's dream!
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Actually a Capitalist's dream if you invest in armaments and military products.
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I quickly scanned it and the one about the 220,000 teachers is not true. Nice headline, but a lie.
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... how the average person in these countries comes to hate us ...

WHAT HAVE WE GOTTEN JONATHAN?


I've been reading such since learning to read - the term "ugly American" comes to mind from back then - also some paragraphs in the middle of the book 1984.

Have you read any proposed policy that would be less disgusting?


Sure - Mind our own business and spend the insane amount of money on our problems; and let other countries deal with theirs.
This way our bombs don't kill their children (spare me the rhetoric), and they have less reasons to hate us, and there is less for the extremists to use as recruitment tools.

Now, I've answered your questions yet you've, typically, answered none of mine.

I'm starting to think you have nothing, except a reverence for the status quo.
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I quickly scanned it and the one about the 220,000 teachers is not true. Nice headline, but a lie.


And the rest?

What about the overall impact, and the results?

Even if it was only ten teachers, what would be the better way to spend the money for America?
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I quickly scanned it and the one about the 220,000 teachers is not true. Nice headline, but a lie.

"In 2007, the amount of money labeled 'wasted' or 'lost' in Iraq - $11 billion - could pay 220,000 teachers salaries"

Why do you say it is a lie?

The link goes to a page that gives sources (including Congressional hearings and the Pentagon) supporting the $11 billion wasted number.

Unless you are saying that's not enough money to pay for 220,000 teacher salaries?
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On Jan 17, 2016, NYCTwister wrote:... I'm starting to think you have nothing, except a reverence for the status quo.


Thanks.

http://boingboing.net/2016/01/17/reveale......-bi.html

Who wants who to pay for what under force of what... it's the Law. Kinda Judge Dredd.

Cantrell's story Kingmaker was a good read.

What's a stalking horse?

Maybe it's more like "well I'm glad it's them rather than me" with a little mention of shame.

If we can't discuss options or stories it's not likely we are going to be promoting any particular change.
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Is this really necessary for the defense of THIS country?...


Yes, according to our elected leaders who speak of our national interests. If anyone here would like to disagree - let them offer some other options. It's a topic for discussion.
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On Jan 17, 2016, NYCTwister wrote:... I'm starting to think you have nothing, except a reverence for the status quo.


Thanks.

http://boingboing.net/2016/01/17/reveale......-bi.html

Who wants who to pay for what under force of what... it's the Law. Kinda Judge Dredd.

Cantrell's story Kingmaker was a good read.

What's a stalking horse?

Maybe it's more like "well I'm glad it's them rather than me" with a little mention of shame.

If we can't discuss options or stories it's not likely we are going to be promoting any particular change.


So....status quo worshipper who's got nothing but ridiculous word salad.

Got it.

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"They won't care how much you know until they know how much you care."

Being disagreeable does not imply having an argument to consider. You don't like something then offer a better alternative.
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"They won't care how much you know until they know how much you care."

Being disagreeable does not imply having an argument to consider. You don't like something then offer a better alternative.


I did -

"Sure - Mind our own business and spend the insane amount of money on our problems; and let other countries deal with theirs.
This way our bombs don't kill their children (spare me the rhetoric), and they have less reasons to hate us, and there is less for the extremists to use as recruitment tools."

Do you remember that? You must have, so I'm left with the conclusion that your only reason for posting is to have an opportunity to post more of your pseudo-intellectual drivel.

How much money did it cost to educate you? I only ask so I can lament an exact amount, when I consider the dead value of the money spent.

I'm done with you, because talking to you is a waste of time.
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I don't have a horse in this race, but I just saw this and thought it would be fun to post here:

http://spectator.org/articles/65210/counting-my-blessings

Says has-been Ben Stein:

And what about this nonsense about how militarily strong we are? Yes, we spend a lot on defense compared with has-beens like France or Britain. But if the North Koreans invaded South Korea, could we stop them? If Russia invades the Baltic states, could we stop them? If Iran invaded Saudi Arabia, could we stop them?

We cannot even stop the illegal immigrants on our southern border? How the heck could we fight a real war?

I ask you this, Mr. President: how many combat-ready soldiers and Marines do we have right now? Combat ready. Not clerks. I bet the answer is far less than 200,000. And that’s an invitation for Mr. Putin to go crazy.

By the way, Mr. President, much of that money for defense goes for pensions. How much real war-fighting capacity do we have? Not much.
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Actually you should address those questions to Congress as, per the Constitution, they raise the Army and Navy.
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