The Magic Café
Username:
Password:
[ Lost Password ]
  [ Forgot Username ]
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Latest and Greatest? » » Paul Harris presents Steam 2.0 by Ali Nouira (134 Likes) Printer Friendly Version

 Go to page [Previous]  1~2~3..8~9~10~11~12..23~24~25 [Next]
Ashton
View Profile
New user
85 Posts

Profile of Ashton
Quote:
On Feb 20, 2016, Zuke wrote:
Write on this card, put this envelope over the top, put your hands on top...let's wait a few seconds...now I'll take the envelope back and write something remarkably similar to yours.

...and you're saying that method is more streamlined than simply glimpsing an imp pad as you place it away? IMO even a CT is more straight forward.


That's how I feel as well. What real advantage does this have over a CT, a standard billet p**k or a s***ch? Sure the method is different but because the performer has to go back and put something on top of the spectator's face down card, then take it away, I'm not really sure it's a better way to get the information than other classic ways I already know.
Ashton
View Profile
New user
85 Posts

Profile of Ashton
Quote:
On Feb 10, 2016, PHSIS wrote:
Hello again. Just wanted to clarify

Regarding the video demo. It's always a tough call on these things. In this case we edited around an innocent subtlety that would mean nothing to a spectator. But on the Café it would likely inspire the typical 20 questions scenario that leads to public exposure of the beautiful method.

This may be a futile attempt to protect the secret..but we are trying our best to honor the method and the creators as well as the magi who are trying to make an informed decision.

Janet Harris


I do not consider leaving out the part where the performer has to put something on top of the spectator's face down card, then take it away in order to know what is written an innocent subtlety. Leaving that part out completely changes the perception of the effect - to the person considering buying it.

When I watched the demo video, I got the impression, right or wrong, that once the spectator wrote their information on the card, and placed the card face down, I would not even have to go near their card to know what they wrote. I understand the video did not say that, but that is the impression I had from watching the video. And that's clearly not the case.

When a seller edits out pieces of a performance in a promotional video, it opens the door to misperception and misunderstanding in the mind of the person considering making a purchase.

When I consider buying an effect, I want to see it performed exactly the way the spectator would see it. If a seller can't provide a video showing the full performance because doing do would expose the secret, then don't make a video at all. A detailed written description is better than an edited video that may create misperception and misunderstanding.
tmoca
View Profile
Inner circle
1113 Posts

Profile of tmoca
Quote:
On Feb 20, 2016, Ashton wrote:
If a seller can't provide a video showing the full performance because doing do would expose the secret, then don't make a video at all. A detailed written description is better than an edited video that may create misperception and misunderstanding.


Plus 1
saysold1
View Profile
Eternal Order
Recovering Cafe addict with only
10630 Posts

Profile of saysold1
Quote:
On Feb 20, 2016, JackMagic wrote:
Quote:
On Feb 10, 2016, PHSIS wrote:
Hello again. Just wanted to clarify




Regarding the video demo. It's always a tough call on these things. In this case we edited around an innocent subtlety that would mean nothing to a spectator. But on the Café it would likely inspire the typical 20 questions scenario that leads to public exposure of the beautiful method.


This may be a futile attempt to protect the secret..but we are trying our best to honor the method and the creators as well as the magi who are trying to make an informed decision.



Janet Harris


So this misleading Demo has resulted in 45 Posts

Yes 45 Posts !

Also lets not forget Steam has already been shown unedited on Penn and Teller Fool Us
It never attracted any comments from Penn at All

This Demo has done more harm than good

Let's hope that all producers have now got the message

If you can't post a clear unedited Demo

Then don't post one at all


Who created the demo video?

Was it Titanas?
Creator of The SvenPad Supreme(R) line of premium, made in the USA utility props. https://svenpads.com/
VanishingInc
View Profile
Veteran user
322 Posts

Profile of VanishingInc
I think It's important to mention that what I showed in the video was only one of multiple routines taught and that you can do all kinds of other things that don't require you to use the envelope at all. It is more of a "kit" with some really awesome thinking from our creative team. It also comes with a pad of something else that you can adapt to bills, cell phones card boxes etc too.

Which means that you don't always have to place the envelope on top.


-Kyle
We personally curate every product we sell because we put quality and service first.
saysold1
View Profile
Eternal Order
Recovering Cafe addict with only
10630 Posts

Profile of saysold1
STEAM is a utility tool/device for getting what you need.
Creator of The SvenPad Supreme(R) line of premium, made in the USA utility props. https://svenpads.com/
1KJ
View Profile
Inner circle
Warning: We will run out of new tricks in
3965 Posts

Profile of 1KJ
I'm not so worried about demo videos. No laypeople watch them. They are too busy trying to keep up with the Kardashians.

I have most every IMP device, and I would say that this is WAY powerful in the right setting. This is one of my top three favorites. I agree with saysold1 that a pad is powerful. I also really like The Blind Man's Wallet. I also like some very impromptu methods, like simply a stack of ungimmicked business cards and some sleight of hand.

There are many ways of performing with this tool. I think one of the strongest routines is the one with money. You are not writing on the IMP device.

KJ
Bondi
View Profile
New user
Cornwall
45 Posts

Profile of Bondi
This is a really great purchase,you have everything you need,easy to do,some routines are better than others,this certainly gets your mind thinking of what can be done.I also love the money and red herring routine,excellent.
magicbrady
View Profile
Regular user
131 Posts

Profile of magicbrady
It sounds like the method is really cool. I get that. What I'm wondering... what can I do with this that I can't already do with Psypher or with The Informant? If I didn't already own them, this would be in my cart now. Just seems like it would be another vehicle to get me to the same place. Does it offer something different? Like is this used in a different setting or something?
magic in mind
View Profile
Special user
851 Posts

Profile of magic in mind
I'm going to ad my two pence worth.Steam has been underground for many years.It was hard to get hold of at one point.I managed to find a seller in uk full 52.It was unheard of by many till penn and teller then the Café buzzed about it.Alakazam put a product out that may or may have not been similar.I'm a bit sad that it's hit the major magic shops,as no doubt some 14 year old will show it off on utube.
Then all other methods whether electronic or parapads etc will be put down as steam.Steam is awesome unique and when you get it you'll come up with a zillion ways to use it.Some Café member put out 3 manuscripts on ways of using it.steam 2.0 offers nothing new apart from the blue is now white.But we already new ages ago what we needed to buy to make it less inspicuos.It's all about certain properties of certain materials.I love steam it's so different and when you do it it's like wow how on earth was that discovered.Best use of steam for me was doing a magic aka mathematical square finding out what you need and making the square.As your writing the numbers you say these are the most common thought of numbers but yours is... of course it's wrong but you then show all numbers add up to theirs.The old version had the spec staple their drawing etc in this improvised "envelope " but most of us made our own envelopes. With a bit of thinking it doesn't matter if it's put face up or down. I used it like this.....have number written down whilst you faced away.Sealed in envelope you took it and put it between both palms head still turned(as if your doing psychometry).Drop back onto table still not looking at it.You then bring both hands up to your head like your getting something and you are quite literally! ! Job done.Hands into pockets to get marker and your off.Hands were a little tacky but was my last effect so..What it isn't is a new sleight it's more like real magic still for me even after all the time I've had it.
Please don't buy steam let's keep it underground.
magic in mind
View Profile
Special user
851 Posts

Profile of magic in mind
In short you don't peek or rip or swap out anything.There's an envelope that's sealed you never look at but you can find out the contents.By in my case never looking at it but just holding it between my hands with head still turned.No you can't see through envelope or any slits it's sealed.Spectator can take envelope still sealed home.Again don't buy it you won't like it it's not for you.Stick with your centre tears
Kaliix
View Profile
Inner circle
Connecticut
1689 Posts

Profile of Kaliix
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how Steam is better than Psypher. Using Psypher, you can get the spectator to write down the information on a piece of paper and have them tear off the sheet. They can even look at the next sheet or two after the one they tear off theirs and see that there is no impression. The magician can then take the notepad back in the action of putting it away, quickly obtain the information needed. There is no reason to worry about ambient temperature or any such thing and there is no reason to cover the spectators paper with anything and then take it back. Both methods rely on a certain sharpie and enough ambient light to obtain the information. Psypher can be set up so that any information obtained can be erased, not that it really needs to be.

Again, just my humble opinion, your mileage may vary. Interested to hear your thoughts?

Quote:
On Feb 19, 2016, saysold1 wrote:
Exactly.

They should have had a mentalist do the DVD.

Me? I just have the spectator or me put the pad top on the face down card etc to isolate.

Also to be clear I like steam more than psypher because it is so friggin cool.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel J. Boorstin
TuneHV
View Profile
Inner circle
New York
1835 Posts

Profile of TuneHV
Quote:
On Feb 20, 2016, Kaliix wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how Steam is better than Psypher. Using Psypher, you can get the spectator to write down the information on a piece of paper and have them tear off the sheet. They can even look at the next sheet or two after the one they tear off theirs and see that there is no impression. The magician can then take the notepad back in the action of putting it away, quickly obtain the information needed. There is no reason to worry about ambient temperature or any such thing and there is no reason to cover the spectators paper with anything and then take it back. Both methods rely on a certain sharpie and enough ambient light to obtain the information. Psypher can be set up so that any information obtained can be erased, not that it really needs to be.

Again, just my humble opinion, your mileage may vary. Interested to hear your thoughts?

Quote:
On Feb 19, 2016, saysold1 wrote:
Exactly.

They should have had a mentalist do the DVD.

Me? I just have the spectator or me put the pad top on the face down card etc to isolate.

Also to be clear I like steam more than psypher because it is so friggin cool.


The main difference is with Psypher they are writing on top of something you retrieve. Laymen are aware of things like carbon paper so it's not hard to make that logical jump. Steam works "backwards", so the logical connection just isn't there and is far more deceptive in my opinion
David Jonathan
- - - - - - - - - -
Stroop Test | TOCAAN | THREESUM | SNAPS | Precise Premonition | With The Band | You Know (UNO) | CAANWICH | Fourtunate | Destined | Wrong Turn | Fortuity | Arbitrium | Sovereign Sandwich | RudiMental

More Info: www.davidjonathanmagic.com
saysold1
View Profile
Eternal Order
Recovering Cafe addict with only
10630 Posts

Profile of saysold1
I like psypher.

The imp with psypher can be kinda light at times.

The imp with steam is like the difference between HD and regular tv. Steam is HD - and it beats psypher IMO for clarity. It's also hands off - you never touch what they write on.

Ok I'm checking out.
Creator of The SvenPad Supreme(R) line of premium, made in the USA utility props. https://svenpads.com/
chrismatt
View Profile
Special user
Why would you read any of my
969 Posts

Profile of chrismatt
Quote:
On Feb 20, 2016, magic in mind wrote:
Some Café member put out 3 manuscripts on ways of using it.


I was that Café member and the year was 2010. The history concerning my discovery and use of the principle is described in detail in those manuscripts, which were sold to a limited number of mentalists with their promise not to discuss or review the contents therein.

German mentalist Chester Sass and I corresponded that year after he received a copy of one of my three manuscripts. He seemed quite enthusiastic about it, even though he also had independently come up with the same underlying principle. The late Dick Christian also seemed quite enthusiastic when, years ago, I wrote to him about my Sub Rosa Book Test ideas. I have a note from him that reads, in part, “Meanwhile, yes, your description of how you use Sub Rosa...IS a very practical method that is unlikely to be detected. The fact that Sub Rosa obviates the need for any writing to be done using the book itself as the "desk" is beautiful and, as far as I am aware, something no one else has thought of.”

I could go on and on, but let me say that I am surprised that more work has not been done to develop this beautiful principle. My manuscripts, detailing my work over the past ten years, went in many and varied directions. I am happy to say that, over the years, I've heard back from a few who actually read and applied the information I described. Several of those applications are marvelous!

As a gift to those of you who know the underlying principle, let me describe a simple effect, derived from one of the applications described in my books: S writes down a number on a plain business card, turns it face down and covers it with a salt or pepper shaker. In one presentation, a little pepper is poured into the hand as the S concentrates on her number. Suddenly the pepper starts to "come alive" and forms the very number the S is thinking of! Of course, you never touch the card.

Finally, thanks to those of you who've contacted me about the availability of my manuscripts. It's been six years now since they were published and they are now almost all gone. The "kit" versions contained some very useful material (for example, specially made index cards that worked beautifully with the principle--the marker writing did not bleed through like ordinary, crappy index cards) and loads of the other special material. Of course, rather than be a supplier of this easily obtainable material, I described in my books where anyone could purchase the stuff for cheap.

Good luck!
CM
chrismattx@gmail.com
Details make perfection, but perfection is no detail.
Ustaad
View Profile
Inner circle
Iindia - States
5697 Posts

Profile of Ustaad
Quote:
On Feb 20, 2016, saysold1 wrote:

STEAM is a utility tool/device for getting what you need.



Quote:
On Feb 20, 2016, 1KJ wrote:

I have most every IMP device, and I would say that this is WAY powerful in the right setting.



Quote:
On Feb 21, 2016, chrismatt wrote:

As a gift to those of you who know the underlying principle, let me describe a simple effect, derived from one of the applications described in my books:

S writes down a number on a plain business card, turns it face down and covers it with a salt or pepper shaker. In one presentation, a little pepper is poured into the hand as the S concentrates on her number. Suddenly the pepper starts to "come alive" and forms the very number the S is thinking of! Of course, you never touch the card.


@ Chrismatt: Very nice routine. Thanks.

With STEAM, your imagination will be the only limiting factor.

Smile
MAGIC is a SECRET, without the SECRET there is no MAGIC.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke.
Fire Starter
View Profile
Inner circle
4378 Posts

Profile of Fire Starter
Wow cool ideas there from Chris Matt,would of loved to of got my hands on a manuscript how did I miss this?.
Magic McKing
View Profile
New user
69 Posts

Profile of Magic McKing
Just got mine. Brilliant! Love every bit of it. There's something missing from the ad though. But after you get it you would understand and I think it's the right thing to do.
bowers
View Profile
Inner circle
Oakboro N.C.
7035 Posts

Profile of bowers
I can't wait.Mine should be here tomorrow.
magic in mind
View Profile
Special user
851 Posts

Profile of magic in mind
Yep you won't believe that I've had steam for over 5 years and yet mentalist are only just discovering it.I still don't see how a centre tear or imp device is better than steam.you could be in a diff room and have somone put a drawing in envelope.There's no pads to take back.You literally could hold envelope in hands just cover it for a sec with one hand or have it clipped to clipboard or clipped with giant bull dog clip and yet you get to know the contents.The spec can keep their envelope and nothing will reveal itself to them. Penn and teller couldn't figure steam out neither could I neither will your audience.As mentioned folk know about carbon paper but theres no way this can be attributed to this. Whatever you think steam is your wrong.Five years ago I thought it was sci fi stuff.To me it still is.I performed steam to a person who know just about every method out their.There best guess was maybe the ink of the marker had particles in it .Somehow I was able to read through the envelope like braille.
For the record the best imp pad was made by Scott Creasey.
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Latest and Greatest? » » Paul Harris presents Steam 2.0 by Ali Nouira (134 Likes)
 Go to page [Previous]  1~2~3..8~9~10~11~12..23~24~25 [Next]
X
[ Top of Page ]
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2021 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved.
This page was created in 0.21 seconds requiring 5 database queries.
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café
are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic.
> Privacy Statement <

ROTFL Billions and billions served! ROTFL