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I personally think that far too many people are almost exposing the method here.
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On Feb 10, 2016, Platt wrote:
Sorry Janet, I love you and Paul but that is not a satisfying answer. The big claim here is that you have eclipsed the standard methods of obtaining information including billets and wallets (which are also motivated by the way) So how can you possibly convince me of that without showing the performance. It's like me saying I've created a vanish that's cleaner and more motivated than other vanishes out there and then cut out the moment the coin is vanished. Why show a video at all? I think the comments here say it all.

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On Feb 10, 2016, PHSIS wrote:
Hi all.

Good questions. All actions during performance are properly
motivated and appear completely innocent and logical to the audience.

I think your going to love this thing!

Janet Harris


Hey Platt, if you don't know about the principle yet you will fall in love with it.
I love your Platt Pad and iam sure YOU will find some clever applications with steam.
I for myself are not sure if I need a V2.0 because I feel that I've worked it from 0 - 100.
Found a lot of great applications and had great ideas shared with me in the past.
Iam grateful for Ali Nouiras Steam 1.0!

For Steam 2.0: Everything old is new again..They try to sell refills here and warm up some (good) old coffee to make some bucks.
Hope that people will keep it a secret. When I see the trailer and possible target group I get shivers.
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All we are asking is why would an owner of Steam 1 now purchase Steam 2. I think this is a fair question for those who already own Steam 1.
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On Feb 10, 2016, Steve Suss wrote:
All we are asking is why would an owner of Steam 1 now purchase Steam 2. I think this is a fair question for those who already own Steam 1.


Only for the routines IMO if you own 1.0

They better be great routines though.

Curious about the Mark Salem thing - would love to hear more.
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Because the strange blue paper is no longer used yet 'ordinary' white card stock.
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It's offers a bit more than the routines... just a bit though Smile
Some might just consider it packaging but it's something that make things easier and more natural while making it appear more innocent and impossible.

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The PH team is usually pretty good in answering our questions. Hope they drop by here soon.


I don't think she has answered any of the concerns at all

As This has been out for years I am still waiting to know what improvements are in V2

And why was the Demo edited !
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On Feb 10, 2016, Magic KL wrote:
The PH team is usually pretty good in answering our questions. Hope they drop by here soon.


I don't think she has answered any of the concerns at all

As This has been out for years I am still waiting to know what improvements are in V2

And why was the Demo edited !


I know this has been said earlier but from a copying pov then no one is able or could replicate this is effect as you are buying a gimmick that none of us could really copy or make ourselves - so why the edit? However I think unfortunately they wanted to make the vid and performance of this look virtually impossible and very good that we all jump on the buy button thinking that when we get it, we could perform it exactly like in the trailer. I just feel that if the 'full' performance was shown people will realise this logic and reasoning of then having to remove the envelope or more so why you have to put the envelope on the card doesn't look that clean from a logic and reasoning perspective - and for that reason will put off from buying it.
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Weirdly the demo for Steam 2 does it no favours.

They fail to show the "moment" for no good reason and then having a written prediction that matches the specs written choice doesn't portray the effect in the best light.

But this video of steam 1 probably gives you a better idea of what's going on and, the fact that the spec writes down a card and the magician divines that card is a much better disconnect to my mind than matching written items.

You can see the real potential with this effect, but I've still no idea what the improvement is on the original.

http://youtu.be/hW2tofVNBok
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Well this will be my first purchase from PH presents... I'm remaining hopeful it won't turn into buyer's remorse.

Will post honest thoughts once I receive this.

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Speaking for myself, it would be great if there was a response from the creator to the legitimate questions being posed here on the product demo rather than a generic reply that still leaves these questions unanswered.

No malice intended, however I don't believe I'm alone in my view.
Thanks,

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As This has been out for years I am still waiting to know what improvements are in V2

And why was the Demo edited !


"Improvements" : no stappler (useless that's a little too much) in v1 you could just put the paper face down ... and reset (by using business cards) better than a card box

But watch this demo with a bill ... v1 from ali nouira himself (he made a bet with a gimmicked bill first then increase his bet) remove the stappler and put the paper face down and this is perfect.

https://youtu.be/9Ec63Rh_wqc

Why the demo was edited ? Hmmm I will say to sell more or because the very lovely short haired girl show her boobs during that "properly motivated, completely innocent and logical" part so they have to cut the scene
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On Feb 10, 2016, Elliot Marx wrote:
Well this will be my first purchase from PH presents... I'm remaining hopeful it won't turn into buyer's remorse.

Will post honest thoughts once I receive this.

Elliot


You'll be fine.

It is a solid principle and there is a nice "wow" factor
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Thanks Brett. I respect your opinion mate.

Will post a review once received.

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On Feb 10, 2016, Ray Chelt wrote:
Weirdly the demo for Steam 2 does it no favours.

They fail to show the "moment" for no good reason and then having a written prediction that matches the specs written choice doesn't portray the effect in the best light.



I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this. I don't get why some magic demos these days are edited such that "this is what the spectator sees". I feel it is a bizarre choice when the product is solid.
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Hello again. Just wanted to clarify a few things for the curious.

First things first. You can do all of the effects that you could do with the original Steam using card cases, bills etc. So if there is any videos that you have seen and liked in the thread here you will be able to do all of them and more with the custom materials supplied in the Steam 2.0 super kit Smile. There are also a handful of brand new routines from our creative team.

Plus we have revised some of the materials and presentations so that the spectator can do all of the writing and covering actions themselves while your back is turned or even out of the room.

Plus with the revised materials spectator can examine everything before and after so there is nothing to hide or ditch.

Also tested to find the very best items to make sure the effect works every single time.

Regarding the video demo. It's always a tough call on these things. In this case we edited around an innocent subtlety that would mean nothing to a spectator. But on the Café it would likely inspire the typical 20 questions scenario that leads to public exposure of the beautiful method.


This may be a futile attempt to protect the secret..but we are trying our best to honor the method and the creators as well as the magi who are trying to make an informed decision.

If you have any doubts at all about Steam 2.0 we of course are happy to have you wait for the reviews to come in before you make a decision.


Still think you're going to love this!

Janet Harris
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Thanks Janet -- always appreciate your helpful and valuable commentary.

Keep up the great work!

Nathan

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On Feb 10, 2016, PHSIS wrote:
Hello again. Just wanted to clarify a few things for the curious.

First things first. You can do all of the effects that you could do with the original Steam using card cases, bills etc. So if there is any videos that you have seen and liked in the thread here you will be able to do all of them and more with the custom materials supplied in the Steam 2.0 super kit Smile. There are also a handful of brand new routines from our creative team.

Plus we have revised some of the materials and presentations so that the spectator can do all of the writing and covering actions themselves while your back is turned or even out of the room.

Plus with the revised materials spectator can examine everything before and after so there is nothing to hide or ditch.

Also tested to find the very best items to make sure the effect works every single time.

Regarding the video demo. It's always a tough call on these things. In this case we edited around an innocent subtlety that would mean nothing to a spectator. But on the Café it would likely inspire the typical 20 questions scenario that leads to public exposure of the beautiful method.


This may be a futile attempt to protect the secret..but we are trying our best to honor the method and the creators as well as the magi who are trying to make an informed decision.

If you have any doubts at all about Steam 2.0 we of course are happy to have you wait for the reviews to come in before you make a decision.


Still think you're going to love this!

Janet Harris
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Thanks Janet,

I can't speak of public exposure, but to be fair, not including the "subtlety" has still resulted in "20 questions" from would be purchasers.

I suppose this may be a case of being "***ed if you do, ***ed if you don't".

Thanks for your reply, nonetheless.

Elliot
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Janet, are you able to comment on the accessibility of the necessary items for refills for those of us in far flung climes? Or will they only be available through dealers?

Thanks,

Elliot
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On Feb 10, 2016, PHSIS wrote:
Regarding the video demo. It's always a tough call on these things. In this case we edited around an innocent subtlety that would mean nothing to a spectator. But on the Café it would likely inspire the typical 20 questions scenario that leads to public exposure of the beautiful method.


This may be a futile attempt to protect the secret..but we are trying our best to honor the method and the creators as well as the magi who are trying to make an informed decision.



The creator himself made an uncut video ... the product is solid no need to hide anything.

U have steam stick on it and read jan's great advices... you could build by yourself a steam "3.0".

U don't have steam (hard to find) buy steam 2.0 you ll like it ! ... yes ... but keep in mind you couldn't do exactly what you saw in the trailer.
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