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On Feb 10, 2016, pelicantrapper wrote:
I watched Etiennes performance on fool us and I really do like how the box goes over the card because it seems so natural. 2 business cards does not. But hey, maybe they worked it into the routine perfectly.
I recently received Psypher 2. I know I am late but I'm trying to pick the advantages and disadvantages of them both. But right now they are looking rather similar.

Once you know Steam, can't you adapt it to anything you want? If the special something is easy to source, can't you use a card box instead of a business card if you wanted to??? Even if that is not how they teach the new version.
Thanks!


I think your right and providing the chemicals are used then I guess I does not matter what is used as the 'top' object. I think they have tried to go down the route of making the 'gimmicks' as organic as possible. The downside of this is yes as organic as they are, this may not reflect in it being the most logical in performance I guess
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The PH team is usually pretty good in answering our questions. Hope they drop by here soon.
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The question isn't of how organic the gimmicks are made to look. Any Routine/performance must have logic and reasoning. The performer cannot ask the spectator to add an object and then later, just before the revelation, takes the added object from the spectator. As far as possible such actions should be avoided.

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Totally agree, but I think they have decided to solve the 'logic' and 'reasoning' by introducing organic gimmicks. Alas this still doesn't alter what is perceived logical in actions when performing it like you said. For me I would need a good reason and justification why I say to cover their card with an envelope/other card then have them cover their hands over everything. When they back track they too will ask them self the question of why that extra envelope/card had to put on top of the signed card - when he's not going to see anyway as my hands are/were covering it.
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Plus I don't for a minute think that I or anyone else with the same feelings on this logic and reasoning are over thinking anything. Or "we are thinking to much like a magician" this would honestly be a thought process of a normal lay person when trying to work out how you knew the word/drawing etc.
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Organic gimmicks do not improve an effect if their use does not make sense. A potato is organic but I'm not sure it would significantly improve a drawing dupe.

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Hi all.

Good questions. All actions during performance are properly
motivated and appear completely innocent and logical to the audience.

I think your going to love this thing!

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On Feb 10, 2016, PHSIS wrote:
Hi all.

Good questions. All actions during performance are properly
motivated and appear completely innocent and logical to the audience.

I think your going to love this thing!

Janet Harris


Then why edit it out of the demo?
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On Feb 10, 2016, PHSIS wrote:
Hi all.

Good questions. All actions during performance are properly
motivated and appear completely innocent and logical to the audience.

I think your going to love this thing!

Janet Harris


Hi Janet and thanks for the post and letting us know. It would be great if you could please mention what is said at the time to the spectator as a logical and justified reason to putting the additional envelope/card on top of theirs please, before they then cover everything with their hands.
Many thanks
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Just give us an unedited demo. If it's good people will buy. Remember this is not a routine you are selling. U r selling a gimmick. You have nothing to lose by releasing a proper demo : unless the use of the gimmick is suspect. I for one know STEAM already. I will not support any effect that relies on custom props where the creator refuses to give a proper demonstration.
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Sorry Janet, I love you and Paul but that is not a satisfying answer. The big claim here is that you have eclipsed the standard methods of obtaining information including billets and wallets (which are also motivated by the way) So how can you possibly convince me of that without showing the performance. It's like me saying I've created a vanish that's cleaner and more motivated than other vanishes out there and then cut out the moment the coin is vanished. Why show a video at all? I think the comments here say it all.

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On Feb 10, 2016, PHSIS wrote:
Hi all.

Good questions. All actions during performance are properly
motivated and appear completely innocent and logical to the audience.

I think your going to love this thing!

Janet Harris
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There is a video cut .
The performer talks about a envelope
I just see a billet and a pen
Is the envelope used as support for writing?
If the method is what Ustaad tells I think can be a steam improved .
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This one seems to have been the re-launch of a utility that seems to have been languishing in many people's bottom drawer.

I think it's perfectly obvious that the effect needs something placed on the specs card and its down to how that's justified.

But from memory you needed to press the other object quite firmly against the written on card and you needed to do it all relatively quickly ?

Have these aspects been improved.?
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The spectators hands (when asked to cover everything)are the weight device to be pushed down on the envelope that is on top of the card they signed - I think
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The edited bit in case of any confusion with others or wondering about what is edited, is what happens to the envelope that was on top of their card as she then puts her hand on top of everything, as the next frame shows her lift her hand and turn the card over. So there is a scene missing where she then lifts her hand up, the envelope is removed, then her hand is placed back down on the card ready for the final reveal of lifting her hand again to turn over the card.
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On Feb 10, 2016, pelicantrapper wrote:
I watched Etiennes performance on fool us and I really do like how the box goes over the card because it seems so natural. 2 business cards does not. But hey, maybe they worked it into the routine perfectly.
I recently received Psypher 2. I know I am late but I'm trying to pick the advantages and disadvantages of them both. But right now they are looking rather similar.

Once you know Steam, can't you adapt it to anything you want? If the special something is easy to source, can't you use a card box instead of a business card if you wanted to??? Even if that is not how they teach the new version.
Thanks!


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On Feb 10, 2016, Ray Chelt wrote:
This one seems to have been the re-launch of a utility that seems to have been languishing in many people's bottom drawer.

I think it's perfectly obvious that the effect needs something placed on the specs card and its down to how that's justified.

But from memory you needed to press the other object quite firmly against the written on card and you needed to do it all relatively quickly ?

Have these aspects been improved.?


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I still use steam,i love it and I use it many different ways,so I am happy with it the way it is,not sure you could improve on how this is used weather it be a card box ,cash e.t.c.
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On Feb 10, 2016, PHSIS wrote:
Hi all.

Good questions. All actions during performance are properly
motivated and appear completely innocent and logical to the audience.

I think your going to love this thing!

Janet Harris


Why do we go through these same machinations every release? Couldn't Titanis with his knowledge,
input and creativity get things back on track?
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