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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
As far as hand exercising that may help. Check out this great item at Dan and Dave
http://shop.dananddave.com/supplies/pro-hand-exercisers.html I purchased the 9 lb one (second strongest) as a post surgery rehab item more than for magic but in the couple years I have had it. I have noticed a significant increase in hand strengh and even dexterity when working with cards and coins. Might be worth your while. It will definately increase your pinky strength which is one of the base muscles you will use.
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Andy Young Special user Jersey Shore, PA 813 Posts |
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On Feb 22, 2016, Poof-Daddy wrote: You can also grab those from a music shop. Guitar players user them also. |
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bbeishline New user 62 Posts |
I've been battling a cold for a while. Yesterday I had coins palmed and needed to blow my nose. When I did, one of the coins fell out. Nobody was watching, but had they been, I think it would have looked just like I blew a 50 cent piece out of my nose. I just invented my first trick! (Which I'm SURE had never been thought of before.)
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li0n New user 3 Posts |
Mb also PM'ed me his classic palm exercise and it's been immensely helpful.
I've been practising holding a coin in CP while typing and while I've been able to do it it always felt like the coin was about to fall out of CP. After doing the exercise I have been able to type while confidently holding the coin in CP. Thanks again Mb! |
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PeterOwens New user Glasgow 62 Posts |
Mb, could you pm me with the link please, as my CP could use a great deal of improvement. Thanks.
-P |
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ZachDavenport Inner circle Last time I posted I had one less than 1196 Posts |
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On Feb 24, 2016, bbeishline wrote: That;s on of my favorite things to do while no one's looking, and on the rare occasion that someone sees it I get a pretty good reaction.
Reality is a real killjoy.
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
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On Feb 22, 2016, bbeishline wrote: I think a natural look is flat enough. (for "proving" the hand is empty to a friend, I quickly convinced her that my hand was empty by just dropping my hand to my side. She immediately gave up starting at the hand) I find the position of the thumb to be the limiting factor. I can completely flatten the rest of the hand (but that is not natural) but the thumb's position is non-negotiable (for maintaining the CP.) It seems that the amount of muscle that you have there, and your ability to flex that muscle is what will determine close the thumb is to the plane of the rest of the hand - and I can't change that much (but the exercises could help)
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
While achieving a flat look to the hand seems the measure as to a good Classic Palm, I don't think it really is or is at least really all that necessary, if at all. Now barring that of a poorly done CP, all that is needed for a good one is a natural look to the hand (which really is not flat like that), and within the larger motions and control of focus, it really should not be a problem, should not even be a thought.
Y'see, in most cases, a CP'd coin is layered inside larger motions within an effect, so it is not really noticed when you place it, as within milliseconds attention has been focused elsewhere. Add to that, that in general, people do not think a coin can even be held like that, and so it becomes something that no one even has reason to think…Sorta like while you're jogging, no one ever thinks that you might have gold doubloons in your hands, there's no reason, no impetus to think such, and so it is not thought, but you could have it in your hands. Such is sorta the case with the use of the CP. Just work to be natural with the overall use of it and it will work for you. The biggest part of it all is becoming satisfied yourself with it, when really no one else has a clue in the first place. Just keep giving "good" practice to it, doing nothing with the hand/doing everything with the hand, and she comes…
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PeterOwens New user Glasgow 62 Posts |
I must say the classic Palm excercise that Mb sent me is great! It really does work a treat and you can get a lot more movement in the fingers! Overall it looks more natural than the "natural" Palm I used to do! Great! Can't thank you enough.
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bbeishline New user 62 Posts |
Lots of good info and suggestions here. My sincere thanks to all who have contributed so far.
I've been working on the CP for a couple of weeks now and here are few thoughts: I'm palming coins for probably 6-8 hours a day total. I am usually holding them if I'm working on the computer or watching TV, or walking around for some reason. When I started I was getting much less total time per day. I used to put the coins away if I needed to get up and do something. Now I take them along. I've working on CP on and off much less rigorously in the past. Over the last little while I don't know that my actual ability has jumped leaps and bounds, but I do feel much more normal just holding coins than I used to. There are some things I just can't really do, like tying my shoes, since that requires some firm tugs on the laces and all. For those types of things, I've given myself permission to cheat and just hold the coins against my palms with another finger or two. One exercise I'm doing a little is just holding a coin on my palm with my hand open flat, then turning my hand over and palming the coin. Pretty simple and basic, but sometimes when my hands are slick and dry the coin doesn't want to "catch" in my right and slides right up that thumb muscle and falls. Seems to be happening less now than before. For me it's been helpful to think of the palmed coins as good luck charms, and I'm getting so I miss them when I don't have them palmed. I think that's a good thing. I know two weeks of practice is nothing compared what others have put in over the years. I'm a beginner so add however many grains of salt as you feel necessary. Ben |
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PeterOwens New user Glasgow 62 Posts |
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On Feb 29, 2016, bbeishline wrote: I'm also a beginner and learning coin magic atm, I'm palming coins in both my right hand and left hand and palming multiple coins at a time while going through each finger with my thumb (if that makes sense). Just touching each finger with my thumb while the coins are palmed. My right hand is much better than my left and I wish I started sooner, maybe something to thing about for the future to do it with both hands when you have the spare time. -P |
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
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On Feb 29, 2016, PeterOwens wrote: When you get really good at palming and releasing multiple coins, check out "The Prodigy by Alex Geiser and The Blue Crown". Especially the appearance of 8 coins (at the very end of the vid) It is called the "Boom Production" on the DVD and is used as "Practice" . I bought this dvd a few years ago and it was just a routine that was "out of my reach" and IMO, too much effort for the outcome. That being said, the dvd does teach some sleights worth learning and tips on multiple coin palms as well as releasing them one at a time.
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
Beautiful work
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blurrylines Regular user 185 Posts |
I just wanted to say that Mb sent me his exercise video, and in hours, I made incredible progress. It saved me weeks worth of work. Thank you so much Mb! You are generous and a gentleman.
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CarpetShark Special user 576 Posts |
Don't forget to practice with halves AND dollars. I'd like to add that working on the muscle pass helped greatly in improving my CP. Practice time can be difficult to find, so take ad
vantage of the hours most people 'waste' watching the tube. Just make sure of two things: 1) you are sitting where your constant motions wont drive your wife nuts, and 2) place a towel or blanket on the floor where your coin(s) will hit when (not if!) they drop. I can't seem to avoid screwing up the second suggestion, as I tend to forget the coins sitting in my lap when I get up from my comfy chair! |
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Hare Veteran user 323 Posts |
Something to always keep in mind- more important than "keeping coins palmed all the time" is practicing moving into and out of CP. It is the journey that is the key to experience, more than the stops along the way. Almost all magicians seem to think in terms of specific palms/holds and neglect the movements themselves involved in getting into and out of them.
It's exactly the same as a new guitarist who makes a "C" chord and strums it for half an hour, and then looks up a "G" chord and strums that for another half hour. They learn nothing, because it is the act of moving from one chord to another position, repeating the movements until the path between the chords is well blazed in one's memory, that is all important. So, try to think of all new holds not as individual positions to be learned outside of anything else, but learn them in an integrated fashion with the movement from one to the next as a part of your entire toolset for performing coin tricks. Most of these bad habits come from poorly written books, which present holds or passes as isolated elements, when, in reality, they should merge seamlessly with the other holds, passes, transfers, or whatever, that you can perform. By practicing going from one to another, you learn how to move between the "stops"- much like a cartoonist learns to write between the panels in his comic. All of the arts work best in this same manner, and magic is no different, in my opinion.
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blurrylines Regular user 185 Posts |
Ok. I think I've found the definitive resources for beginners classic palming. At least it is for me.
1) Classic Palming With Coins by Reed McClintock (DVD) 2) MB's Classic Palm exercises (which I mentioned before). Reed's video may only be useful for the absolute beginner (like myself) but his method is superb. To put it in perspective, in one day I went from being able to only barely classic palm (and I was only able accomplish this by working with MB's exercise), to being able to classic palm multiple coins with both hands simultaneously. Let me say it again. In. One. Day. Sounds impossible? Reed's video was my holy grail. Although not to be misunderstood, just because I can hold multiple coins in classic palm doesn't mean what I have is performance worthy (far from it) I still need weeks of practice, my only point is going from near zero to two-handed multiple coin holds in a day is about the best progress I think anyone can reasonably ask for. Combining the two methods (Reed/MB) should allow you to gain solid proficiency with the classic palm in a fraction of the time. Here's my progress: Stage 1: Frantically trying all day, but completely unable to classic palm (approximately 3 weeks) Stage 2: Can classic palm one coin ONLY by doing MB's exercises. (approximately 1 week) Stage 3: Can classic palm multiple coins with both hands. (1 day after Reed's video) BTW, I read Jeff Stone's review about Reed's DVD and with all due respect, I completely disagree with his opinion. In the review he mentioned that after teaching the primary method the rest of the DVD was filler. I personally don't think teaching people how to do the muscle pass directly from classic palm position would count as "filler" for most people. Regardless, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and he was clearly unhappy with the DVD. However Michael Rubinstein and Paul Green gave Reed's DVD the thumbs up and I agree them. I'd rate it 5 stars and as always, YMMV. Hope this helps others. |
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Dapperdan Regular user Detroit Area Magicians & Mentalists (DAMM) 136 Posts |
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Lee Gazlay New user 5 Posts |
When I started learning the CP, I had the usual issue with the thumb sticking out. Holding the thumb and index fingers together helped but I still found the thumb sticking out occasionally (like it had a mind of its own). My solution was to hold a second coin between the thumb and index finger while going in and out of CP with the first coin (i.e., to and from the finger r*st position). Likely not an original training technique but I hadn't seen it written anywhere. One side benefit I've found from this technique is that the fingers become comfortable holding a coin at the finger tips while another is in CP in preparation for the cl*ck pass.
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bbeishline New user 62 Posts |
Holding a coin between the thumb and index finger sounds like a great idea, and one that I hadn't thought of. I do touch the tips of my thumb and index finger, which I learned from the Roth videos, but yeah, the thumb wants to break that connection sometimes. My biggest problem isn't the palming itself but that my fingertips are really slick and it's hard to keep a coin on them when going in and out of CP. There are some other good threads on lotions and hand sticky-afiers so I won't go into it here. I haven't been able to try all of the suggestions, but have tried a good few and it's still a problem. Most of the things I have tried did work, for about one minute.
I did get the Classic Palming With Coins by Reed McClintock DVD as well, and it's been helpful. I wasn't having as much trouble as blurrylines apparently, but there were some good things in there. |
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