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Yes FBI never leaks.
And no Apple does not have the ability to do it they had to write a way to do it.
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Are people so passionate about the cell phone issue because they see it as one of very few remaining area of possible true privacy?

If you truly want to understand why people are so passionate, I recommend again to you the Chomsky-Snowden-Greenwald discussion I mentioned before. They are far more articulate than I am. You may not agree with what they say, but they will give you more insight into the motivations of those who think this is important.

Here's the link again:

https://theintercept.com/a-conversation-about-privacy/

But I think you've answered your own question here:

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'm just wondering where those passionate about privacy draw the line. The FBI can lawfully search any house, business or container with a warrant. They can listen to phone calls, track all of your financial information, put a tracker on your car (again, with a warrant), access your DNA records if you've ever been arrested, draw blood from your body or remove a bullet from your shoulder with a warrant, search your home computer and recover your deleted files, etc.


Given what you understand about the situation, isn't the real question to be asked, not "where those passionate about privacy draw the line," but "where those passionate about surveillance draw the line." Because it is the surveillers who keep moving the line further and further. It's not like we're getting more and more privacy as time goes on.
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On Mar 30, 2016, Salguod Nairb wrote:
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Like Max mentioned, if Apple doesn't leak how to get into their phones, no one is at risk. Apple right now has the ability to get into the phone and it hasn't leaked, so them getting in for a search warrant has just as much of a chance leaking as well. I support Apple doing the cracking and not giving the gov't the method. Just as long as the contents of the phone is given to law enforcement.



Yes for we know that the government has never been hacked before...

http://blogs.findlaw.com/technologist/20......ear.html
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/20......erprints
http://fortune.com/2016/02/26/irs-cyber-attack-hack/


I'm not saying to give the govt the ability, but for Apple to comply by providing the content of the phone.
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Forced compliance.
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On Mar 30, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote:
. . . Apple does not have the ability to do it they had to write a way to do it.


That looks like involuntary servitude!
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On Mar 30, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote:
. . . Apple does not have the ability to do it they had to write a way to do it.


That looks like involuntary servitude!


Yea not like liberty.
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On Mar 30, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote:
Forced compliance.


There's forced compliance for all search warrants
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For those who are suspected yes. NOT for random companies. See the difference?
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Apple wasn't a random company. Just like a company getting served a search warrant for one of their customers, no difference.
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Wasn't this answered on page 1 of this thread?
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Yea.
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Okay, just checking.
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He believes what he wants regardless of facts.
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At least in your minds. The FBI was taking Apple to court to have the search warrant executed. People and their fetish's with their phones....hilarious!!
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I believe that Apple was served with a subpoena, not a search warrant. I don't think a subpoena of a non-party can (or should) force a person or company to work for the law enforcers. Also, I don't think that a subpoena can or should force a business to sabotage itself.
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Thanks Opus for the correct verbiage.

Interesting update

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/congress-......055.html
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That is the verbiage we have been using.
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There's a subpoena due to a search warrant.

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I believe that Apple was served with a subpoena, not a search warrant. I don't think a subpoena of a non-party can (or should) force a person or company to work for the law enforcers. Also, I don't think that a subpoena can or should force a business to sabotage itself.



Under absolutely no circumstances whatsoever?
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Subpoena (n.) Look up subpoena at Dictionary.com
early 15c., sub pena, from Medieval Latin sub poena "under penalty," the first words of the writ commanding the presence of someone under penalty of failure, from Latin sub "under" (see sub-) + poena, ablative of poena "penalty" (see penal). The verb is attested from 1630s.
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