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On Mar 30, 2016, lunatik wrote:
There's a subpoena due to a search warrant.

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I don't think a subpoena of a non-party can (or should) force a person or company to work for the law enforcers.



Under absolutely no circumstances whatsoever?


I have better things to do than trying to talk to this guy.
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Yea. Because he is about to create some fantasy land scenario then say SEE!!!!!!
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We just had a terrorist attack!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SEE!!!!!

How much worse does it need to get for you guys????? pathetic excuses ya'll have. Just come out and say that you support ISIS via your interpretation of the Constitution and while you're at it, sneak across into Syria and join them with your iPhones.
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This:

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On Mar 30, 2016, lunatik wrote:
There's a subpoena due to a search warrant.

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and this:

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On Mar 31, 2016, lunatik wrote:
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On Mar 30, 2016, 0pus wrote:
I don't think a subpoena of a non-party can (or should) force a person or company to work for the law enforcers.



Under absolutely no circumstances whatsoever?


I have better things to do than trying to talk to this guy.


None of us thought that you'd could answer my question because you'd have to backpedal. Just like Danny.
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Lunatik did you read my link?

No matter how bad or gets I do not want to have a tyrannical government based on your fantasy land made up fear mongering.

My pathetic excuse is called the constitution. Look it up. Without it your second amendment right does not exist.
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It just boils down to the fact that your opinions are not my opinions, and like you, I will staunchly defend them. There is no fantasy Danny, we just had a terrorist attack and have his phone. Do you have a different threshold for the amount of deaths before we can order a company to provide the contents of a phone? 13 deaths may be kind of low, how about 9-11? Would hay be enough to order Apple or any company to provide law enforcement with the contents? Just curious.
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I don't want my last post to be perceived as harsh, but (as I see it) you are either having a go and winding us up for S&G's, or (IMO) worse that you can't tolerate us not being in agreement with your take on the world.


My intention is not to get anyone worked up. But I do get passionate about things sometimes:)
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Did you think that the Patriot Act was a good idea?

Not to appear as a loaded question I'll answer my own question first. I didn't and don't.
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I didn't and don't either.
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Too often your passion blinds you to reality. Then you concoct strange fanatic scenarios to prove some point.
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How is the most recent terrorist attack on our soil "fanatic"? It just happened in our real world in OUR country. Please explain
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How is the most recent terrorist attack on our soil "fanatic"? It just happened in our real world in OUR country. Please explain


Does peole attacking us change our rights?
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No, subpoenas and search warrants are still legal.
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Should fear change who we are?
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Did you think that the Patriot Act was a good idea?

Not to appear as a loaded question I'll answer my own question first. I didn't and don't.


The story behind the passage of the Patriot Act is a good example of how we balance equities between privacy and law enforcement in the USA. Most of what wound up in the Patriot Act had already been proposed by the FBI and the intelligence agencies, but never made it into law because of privacy concerns. Then, after Sept 11, the balance of equities shifted enough that all of these prior proposals, plus some new ones, were gathered together and given the admittedly loaded name "Patriot Act." But you know who supported it, of all people? Alan Dershowitz, a rather well known and left-leaning lawyer. His argument at the time was that if we don't do what it takes to stop the worst of the terrorist acts - ie, the "big" ones - the government will gain public support to pass ever more draconian laws. The Patriot Act wasn't written in the six weeks after Sept 11, it's just that the political reality changed. Imagine how the equities will shift if, for instance, a nuclear device is ever successfully detonated in the USA or Europe. My guess is that whatever the response, it will make it look like the Patriot Act was written by the ACLU. So in the long game, it seems to be in the interest of privacy advocates to at least support an effective intelligence and law enforcement capability.
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The only thing that shifted was fear. They took advantage of fear in order to pass it. They always use "we must act now" and scare people out of their rights. It is sad that people will fall for it so regularly.
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Really? Is it just "fallling for it," or are you prepared to admit that there are some legitimate concerns for safety?
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Alan Dershowitz, a rather well known and left-leaning lawyer

Dershowitz has not been left leaning for a quarter of a century, and is an apologist for torture laws and shutting down campus debate. No one on the left claims him, you can have him.
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Really? Is it just "fallling for it," or are you prepared to admit that there are some legitimate concerns for safety?


Safety is a legitimate concern. Always has been. But which rights do you wish to concede in your quest for the impossible?
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Yeah, I get that. Used to love going for a run on the National Mall in DC on Sunday morning, then running up the Capitol steps and looking out at the morning sun over all of the monuments and park land. I really miss that. Now the steps are all fenced off and guarded by guys in Kevlar vests and rifles. You can't go in the museums here anymore either without going through a TSA style search. Heck, I remember when you could go on a plane without going through a security checkpoint at all. If people just behaved themselves, we'd still live in that world.
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