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MinSting
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252life I just send you a private message with your request,
you will receive nothing related to this thread on what you ordered, bacause its not available in any magic shop,
the magma you ordered I guess is the glowing hand,
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@252life I need another one or two so I can leave them in the suits I use.
im sure you would made me a good discount getting it back from you Smile
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Yeah, Lsee....but I'll leave one word on it for ya lol.

Minsting, I ordered it (good grief. I hope..) from Mystique Factory.
Now I have to make sure I placed it correctly ugh.

Minsting sent me a pm that was very helpful with this decission.
(Thanks!)

Off to check that order.

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252life, you just bought a glowing hand
http://www.mystiquefactory.com/products/......-marlett
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Thank you Sean.
I am an idiot.

Lmao...I would save myself so much trouble,
if I had coffee before trying to be functional.


Well, if I can't fix this order, who has a need for a glowing hand ?


Now I'm on a *** mission lol.
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Minsting is it possible I could see the comparison to the parapad please? Very interested in this as I was considering buying a parapad but this sounds even better!
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I received the product today, tried it and watched the video.

Good and bad things.

First, the Bad :

The tutorial is just a 12-minutes video (plus another video of 1 minute as an additional idea). I was hoping more things would have been told, about different ways to use Magma gimmick, etc. Among the ideas, there is one I really dislike : the pad. In its design, it looks exactly like Hpad by Henri Beaumont but worse because the rubber band is not well hidden. It looks so weird. Although you don't necessarily need to use rubber band (by using tape instead), the special sheet is way smaller than the A7 pad, and you must ensure your spectator is not writing even a little bit off center.

The gimmick is fragile, so take care of it. And no, the gimmick has nothing to do with the card holder. You can use a different support. But, in my opinion, MentalBrush thinks the card holder is the more efficient way to perform the effect. Best is to have some business cards (I don't have business cards - but I'll try to get a bunch of them in a way or another).

Then, the Good :

The quality of the impression, is really... good. I can't stop writing again and again (and wasting ink).

The method of peeking using the PVC card holder is indeed very deceptive. People won't see the connection between the card holder and the peek. The moves are justified, and no unnatural moves.

Another method I really like is to get a bunch of business cards (same size) held by a binder clip, with the special sheet second from the top. Give the entire stack of business cards to the spectator and ask him to write something on the business card at the top. It's that simple.

The reset using the ma***t looks good, really. The most deceptive way is to simply hide it into a pen. There is no refill except for changing ink from the gimmicked pen.

Conclusion :

The only other impression devices I own are Hpad by Henri Beaumont and Steam 2.0. Although I will never recommend you to buy Hpad (bad impression and terrible gimmicked pen), Steam 2.0 is a gem. But still, I prefer Magma over Steam 2.0. Mainly due to the quality of impression.

People here compares Magma with Parapad. Although the technology used is similar, Magma reminds me more of Steam than Parapad (I don't own it actually), main reason being that Magma is not a pad, and can be routined the same way (more or less) as Steam. (But for those who want to know, MinSting sent me a picture with Parapad vs Magma, and Magma is better than Parapad with respect to quality of impression.)

You should buy it, you definitely won't regret it. And if you regret your purchase, I may want to buy yours (at a discount of course). I may need an additional sheet (and an additional pen, just in case). It's really that good. I also think his product and this thread deserve more attention. This product does not have the success it deserves.
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Now, we kept still for while now but all this comparison sounds odd to me.
I already mentioned that MinSting neither was polite enough to discuss this release with us in advance not did he ever sent us anything to do a comparison on our own. Neither the tool ... not even pictures or anything.

Even when this issue was discussed here, he contacted me ... but only for some strange reason.
On the one hand he said ...

"i am very sorry if I should had ask your permission due ethical principles, if you want I stop selling magma I will."

To which I replied ...

"technically you can (and should) do whatever you find appropriate.
You know, as adults we all make our own decisions based on what we feel is the right or the wrong thing.

So, we won't push you in one direction or the other.
Make your decisions based on what you feel is right."

So, I was as modest and polite as usual - my fault! I was hoping for him to do the ethically right thing on his own without being forced. Which would have happened if his realization of the issue and his offer would have been meant seriously.

Now we see that his regret and offer was just a phrase as the further behaviour exposes what he feels is right, ethically.
The point is that contacting me afterwards was NOT a genuine regret and offer to stop, but an attempt to justify his way of dealing with others afterwards. This became clear in his next statement:

"to be honest, I would like to have your approval"

So, no serious regret and offer, just an attempt to whitewash his bad form and even more to be able to promote this rip off with our approval.



But what really annoys me on top of this right now is all this promoted self comparison of "his" development with ours. How can anyone believe hat this isn't biased but objective?
I could easily produce crystal clear clear impressions using the ParaPad and absolutely crabbed and unreadable ones. Using an old, damaged or badly prepared ParaPen will produce bad impressions for sure!
Does anyone really believe that this guy uses the best impression possible with a ParaPad to compare it with "his" device?

After giving my opinion in this thread I originally decided to keep still. But at some point even I am really ****ed off ... sorry for the words. Those who know me know that I always try to be as well-balanced, relaxed, polite and objective as can be. But at some point it's enough even for me and I have to speak my mind.

Please excuse my rant.
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On Jun 27, 2016, mh1001 wrote:

People here compares Magma with Parapad. Although the technology used is similar, Magma reminds me more of Steam than Parapad (I don't own it actually), main reason being that Magma is not a pad, and can be routined the same way (more or less) as Steam. (But for those who want to know, MinSting sent me a picture with Parapad vs Magma, and Magma is better than Parapad with respect to quality of impression.)

You should buy it, you definitely won't regret it. And if you regret your purchase, I may want to buy yours (at a discount of course). I may need an additional sheet (and an additional pen, just in case). It's really that good. I also think his product and this thread deserve more attention. This product does not have the success it deserves.


The Paralabs guys have offered many options for the technology, not just a pad. They've also offered a number of options for pens. If all that magma does is use a smaller m***** then I really can't see how this is supposed to be worthy of it's own release.

I very much am dubious about the pictures of the Magma vs the Parapad, since -- as mentioned above -- you can get super fine impressions with the parapad tech too, if you prepare a pen a certain way and only put it through 2 business cards....
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Quote:
On Jun 27, 2016, mh1001 wrote:

People here compares Magma with Parapad. Although the technology used is similar, Magma reminds me more of Steam than Parapad (I don't own it actually), main reason being that Magma is not a pad, and can be routined the same way (more or less) as Steam. (But for those who want to know, MinSting sent me a picture with Parapad vs Magma, and Magma is better than Parapad with respect to quality of impression.)

You should buy it, you definitely won't regret it. And if you regret your purchase, I may want to buy yours (at a discount of course). I may need an additional sheet (and an additional pen, just in case). It's really that good. I also think his product and this thread deserve more attention. This product does not have the success it deserves.


The Paralabs guys have offered many options for the technology, not just a pad. They've also offered a number of options for pens. If all that magma does is use a smaller m***** then I really can't see how this is supposed to be worthy of it's own release.

I very much am dubious about the pictures of the Magma vs the Parapad, since -- as mentioned above -- you can get super fine impressions with the parapad tech too, if you prepare a pen a certain way and only put it through 2 business cards....

Hmm.. I'm confused. If you or someone else wants to show me the impression quality of a Parapad using a pen that is correctly prepared and badly prepared, please send me a mail/PM, and I may make a comparison.

Also, what do you mean by "They've also offered a number of options for pens" without giving anything way ? In my message, I said I like the fact that Magma can be used with different support. But Parapad only uses a pad (unless I missed something).
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The parapad is only one of their products. Since the beginning, they've offered the tech stand alone, that is, you can use it in anything you can imagine. There are many applications documented. Some great ones are in the Secret Impressions book, for instance a stack of business cards. This has been around for a number of years. It's not just a pad.

As far as pens, Paralabs offers a construction kit that includes several different types of gimmicks that have different properties.

But mainly, I've never felt like the Parapad was 'low resolution' at all. It's always delivered, no matter how the spectator writes. Given that, I'd much prefer having the flexibility to have more pages in between the pen and the gimmick than a modest improvement in line width at the expense of depth.

I don't think this warrants it's own release. It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
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100% agree with last laugh's post...this didn't need to be released at all...it adds zero to what is already available...
I've asked to be banned
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I would go further than it "didn't need" to it "shouldn't have been" released. And frankly, I would never pull out a plastic wallet (ie. cheap) out of my pocket in front of a client. Oh, that's right-it's organic plastic! In my opinion, your tools and items should be of the highest quality for your brand, which is of course what Paralabs supplies. Unless of course....
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Everyone has the right for his opinion... mine is different.

I bought Parapad + Pen kit and don't use it but now use this (almost daily) * business side it fits awesome in an expensive suit.
For me better usage of a magnet impression and way better pen resolution magnet.

Conclusion: both are way different and the ONLY similarity is the magnet sheet nothing else.
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The similarity is the entire I.P.
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On Jun 28, 2016, Lseeyou wrote:
Everyone has the right for his opinion... mine is different.

Correct. Our opinion is that - apart from anything else - one should act based on appropriate moral and ethical standards, ... not to mention a particular dosis of respect.

But hey, - everyone has the right for his opinion... yours is different as you say correctly and you're in company of MinSting here.
It is what it is. So enjoy yourself.
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Everyone has the right for his opinion... mine is different.

I bought Parapad + Pen kit and don't use it but now use this (almost daily) * business side it fits awesome in an expensive suit.
For me better usage of a magnet impression and way better pen resolution magnet.

Conclusion: both are way different and the ONLY similarity is the magnet sheet nothing else.


A cheap plastic wallet fits 'awesome' in an expensive suit? I don't get that at all...
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Can't understand why those who don't have it, still
lucubrate for free with negative coments,
"pvc wallet is cr*p, you must use leather one". I use it with my suit and have zero problems to fit it, in fact I have a suit in the tutorial.
real leather was not an option, understand that I can't break physics laws.
"it adds nothing to the current available systems". not true, I invested months and money in research to improve any actual system,
"its a solutiong to a problem that does not exist". maybe not a problem you had, but I and others did. I own a parapad, The informant, psypher, steam, and most impressions in the market, none is able to get at same time, resolution + sensitivity, that's a fact. (electronics ones aside)
Magma has been a personal development that end up trying to fill a gap, rather than compite with other systems.
I don't understand why people think I did partner with anyone there, any positive or negative review there is genuine.
If you work with big pads, and you want high thickness penetration, just avoid your interest in magma, can be used on stage but since the size suplied has the size of a business card, its intended to have high resolution on organic situations, wallet, business cards, index cards, dekc of cards, and so on
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Can't understand why those who don't have it, still
lucubrate for free with negative coments,
"pvc wallet is cr*p, you must use leather one". I use it with my suit and have zero problems to fit it, in fact I have a suit in the tutorial.
real leather was not an option, understand that I can't break physics laws.
"it adds nothing to the current available systems". not true, I invested months and money in research to improve any actual system,
"its a solutiong to a problem that does not exist". maybe not a problem you had, but I and others did. I own a parapad, The informant, psypher, steam, and most impressions in the market, none is able to get at same time, resolution + sensitivity, that's a fact. (electronics ones aside)
Magma has been a personal development that end up trying to fill a gap, rather than compite with other systems.
I don't understand why people think I did partner with anyone there, any positive or negative review there is genuine.
If you work with big pads, and you want high thickness penetration, just avoid your interest in magma, can be used on stage but since the size suplied has the size of a business card, its intended to have high resolution on organic situations, wallet, business cards, index cards, dekc of cards, and so on



MinSting, while addressing several points, you neatly avoided the most salient; the overarching moral/ethical transgression of releasing your product. You can go on all you want about the issues you chose to cover while ignoring this but it is only digging yourself a deeper hole.

Thomas and Rainer have done incredible work over many years, benefiting the mentalism community enormously. What you've done and your responses to Thomas and the community's concerns add up to spitting in the face of ParaLabs and their many customers and fans. That you don't see this is stunning.
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Has been discussed several times, each one as its own point of view,
accuse me of spit in the face of paralabs is beyond belief, moreover when there are just positive words from me to them in private and in public.
again this is not the same product, it just share the same film, something exposed tons of times since the first post.
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