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Jaizon lying is not an healthy thing... website says 44€ - I'm looking into it but nevermind I'm out of here.
Nothing to add but praise this release!

All the best guys
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Hahahahaha yes, he finally changed it. and raised his price so the buyer pays for paypal. nice. Still no link to paypal, no last name, no address. All is good, though.
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Jaizon, I already understood you don't like the way I sell it, you don't like the website, you want the paypal button or a shopping cart, you don't want pay the paypal fee, and so on...
i apreciate your contribution and tips, you are not forced to buy anything, but I will be grateful if you can make an effort to keep this thread cleaner,

regards
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I'm out.
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Hahahahaha yes, he finally changed it. and raised his price so the buyer pays for paypal. nice. Still no link to paypal, no last name, no address. All is good, though.

I bought it before he changed the price, but it means nothing because I had to pay the 2.02 euros fee. The total is still 51 euros (42+7+2). Anyway, I think the device it pretty *** awesome, and I will comment on this as soon as I receive the item.
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I'm out.

you're loss
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I'm out.

you're loss




uh oh, Kid Karl is starting a war.
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If the Magma pen doesn't work with the ParaPad because its cover is too thick, and given the statement that the ParaPen can penetrate through significantly more sheets than the Magma pen, the obvious conclusion is that the gimmick in the Magma Pen tip is slightly weaker, or set further back into the tip of the pen. That would also account for the diminished halo.

With the ParaPen kit, which enables you to create new pens at will with precision placement of the gimmick, it would be a simple matter to use one of the tools provided to push the ParaPen gimmick slightly further back into the pen tip, thus achieving, at the expense of penetrating power, the same quality image through fewer sheets as the Magma Pen.

It seems that a simple experiment would determine if this is, in fact, the case.

Note that the ParaPen kit comes with two different size m*****s, one slightly narrower than the other. Those were intended to be used in thinner pens with narrower tips than a Sharpie. So you might want to try putting one of those narrower gimmicks into a Sharpie tip and see if and how the halo is affected.

I seem to remember either Ranier or Thomas of ParaLabs telling me , several years ago, that the narrower m****t enhanced the definition of small writing.
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Hi mastermindreader,
the gimmick in the pen has been custom made, its not about how deep it is inside the pen, I try it to be as next to the tip as possible,
i would like to make it more powerfull but it has been already manufactured selecting the highest power available, so I can't break physics law,

i did test parapad pen and it can bypass even the thickness of a thinn hardbook cover, not good result but it could...
magma is limited to about 0.8 mm thickness, that's two business card, 3 or 4 index cards max, soft cover books, pvc wallet, a deck box, and about 10 or more foils, I didn't count them,

parapad has been the base and the inspiration for magma, so I will always recommend their products, if you need bypass thicker covers, parapad is your choice,
they have good customer service, and they always treat me well
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parapad has been the base and the inspiration for magma, so I will always recommend their products, if you need bypass thicker covers, parapad is your choice,
they have good customer service, and they always treat me well




So you are saying that you are selling your own version of ParaPad? Isn't that like.... ohhhh, I don't know, ...... Like a rip off? And by having a cheap wallet included in your package, are you not also selling your version of the ParaNaormal Wallet? ..... Isn't that also like a rip off?


What was the moment that you had an inspiration of creating your magma? Was it after seeing the Para stuff? Was after seeing how the ParaPad and wallet worked, did you come up with the idea of using props really, really, really, did I say really, Like Para? If so, then it is a rip off.


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Hey Ray, I would say that would be to harsh, as far as I know David has also invested tons of money, time and effort to create Magma.

Both achieve the same outcome, but I understand they have their own advantages / disadvantages correct?

Well, I guess the correct thing would be to talk to the PL guys about it, just so everything's as clear as the impression. Smile

Cheers!

Andreu
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On Jun 20, 2016, MinSting wrote: (IN PART)

parapad has been the base and the inspiration for magma, so I will always recommend their products, if you need bypass thicker covers, parapad is your choice,
they have good customer service, and they always treat me well




So you are saying that you are selling your own version of ParaPad? Isn't that like.... ohhhh, I don't know, ...... Like a rip off? And by having a cheap wallet included in your package, are you not also selling your version of the ParaNaormal Wallet? ..... Isn't that also like a rip off?


What was the moment that you had an inspiration of creating your magma? Was it after seeing the Para stuff? Was after seeing how the ParaPad and wallet worked, did you come up with the idea of using props really, really, really, did I say really, Like Para? If so, then it is a rip off.


Ray


yes, and HPAD is a ripoff of Psypher, The informant is a ripoff of psypher,
blackmail is also a ripoff, as the tecnology used is way old, everything is a ripoff, right?
no, I didn't get inspired about paranormal wallet because I don't like the way its used,
after lot of reserach trying to improve any old or known tecnologies, I am using the same tecnology used by parapad but with other features like the improved definition and ways to use it, most things in magic and in the world, stands on the shoulders of old ideas,

in fact I have been very open about its features and tecnology,
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Oh no I'm back...

Apple did the first Multitouch Sensor Phone (no keypad)... then came along LG, Samsung, HTC, etc... they all incorporate the available technology.
Roughing Spray, Roughing Wax so many different options - Is all a rip off? NO

IF Paralabs did manufactured the sheets now things would be totally different.

What MinSting did was finding an way to improve the legibility of the impression for written small words by spending his time and his money to give people an option that doesn't existed!
I had a Paralab Pad but for me it didn't work as I wanted... some people write in small letters (even when you ask to go big), drawings were the only safe net and even that sometimes people would draw small size. Now using the technology I can manage to build a different setup plus having MinSting option I'm all good! Small or Big I will read have a reading Smile

Grown up people praise improvements not the other way around.

A suggestion: you guys need to take a break, enjoy the coffee and give yourself time to think the way you behave... the clock is ticking.
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Even if I'm biased as a matter fact in this case, I guess the critic here is not about improvments. It's about respect and politeness in advance of a release.

To clarify: As MinSting mentioned, we all "stand on the shoulders of old ideas". But that's not the point.

When we released our Depicting Thoughts book, we utilized a routine of Bob Cassidy and modified it to fit our needs. AND we intended to publish it! So prior to our publication we sent Bob the script and the tools and asked for his persmission.
Bob kindly provided his persmission and obviously we gave a proper credit.

When we worked on our first ESP cards we used a modification of the back design known from the Beyond ESP Deck by Michael Murray. So we sent Michael our development and asked for permission. In this case Michael was not happy with it, so we moved on and came up with a different idea.

When we developed the ParaPad about 10 years ago we had some prototypes first that were in a particular way similar to John Riggs Butterfly ... even if the imp technology was different. So we sent John a prototype prior to a release, John provided some helpful remarks and things that made us ponder (he's an engineer after all) and finally we developed something that not only was good for us, but also got John's OK.

What (we think) is appropriate for publications of routine variations which are based on the work of others is appropriate for the release of tools as well. I personally think this is a matter of respect. We would never ever publish a routine or release a product without discussing this release with the one on whoms "shoulders" we stand. Even if our release or product only had a remote/distant ancestor, we always connected with the creator in question.

A matter of good behavior and respect from my point of view. And you know what? In 9 out of 10 cases we were welcomed with open arms and received nothing but help and kindness. Be it from Bob Cassidy, Richard Osterlind ... you name him. In fact the only case we didn't get a persmission was from Michael Murray; but I totally understood (and understand) his reservations and this caused a further development to a solution that was even better than our initial one. So we have to be thankful to Michael for his reservations ... and I'm happy to call him a friend today.

Again, it's not about improvement. It's about how to deal with other creatives.
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ParaLabs I did contact your company time ago about the fact I was thinking into release a wallet that probably will be using parapad tecnology, but still was making lot of tests,
i did not "ask permision" per sé, but neither had any objection,
I am very sorry if that did made you feel unrespected to you or Rainer in any way, was not my intention at all.
next time I will put more time contacting the shoulders of other creatives,
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I did advise you back in February to contact Paralabs about this release. From your reply it seemed that you had done exactly that.
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@MinSting

Sent you an email. Thanks.
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ParaLabs I did contact your company time ago about the fact I was thinking into release a wallet that probably will be using parapad tecnology, but still was making lot of tests,
i did not "ask permision" per sé, but neither had any objection,
I am very sorry if that did made you feel unrespected to you or Rainer in any way, was not my intention at all.
next time I will put more time contacting the shoulders of other creatives,



It seems that this is what younger people do these days.....

Old timers like me, might and sometimes will rework something that we have bought to better fit our wants and style. I have a ParaNormal Wallet. And yes, I thought about moving the thinking of it OVER to other things. But I paid my money for the wallet and am using the Imp idea for me. If I move the workings to something else or change something, it STILL is the ParaLab ideas. If I go and buy a different wallet and just because I use a slimmer gimmick, still makes it a ParaNormal idea. And it don't give me the right to sell my own. Look at it like this. Your idea is the same as ParaLabs. You only thought of it AFTER you learn of how ParaLabs imp works. You didn't reinvent anything. You just made it fit your needs and style. And that is normal and expected. But to sell the same idea as your own, is just mind blowing.

You did nothing wrong as far as the law is concern. But by doing so, you shown that you can't be trusted with respecting others ideas.

I remember reading a post years ago about a new marketed routine. Then another person said that he invented a new routine/effect because he did the very same marketed effect differently. Instead of doing the effect as written, he claimed that he created a new effect by doing X-Y and Z. Instead of maybe doing a double turn over he might have done a pass. And by doing so, he thought that he created a NEW effect. When actually it was the VERY same effect only the guy made it fit him by using a move that was easier for him. This is a natural thing to do. The promblem comes when people think that they have created a different animal when in fact, if you were to step back and look, it is the very same thing.




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I did advise you back in February to contact Paralabs about this release. From your reply it seemed that you had done exactly that.

Well, MinSting was a customer of ours. That's right. Personally I can't remember that we discussed a release of a similar product and that we didn't had any objections.
But that may be caused by my bad memory, ...

Anyway, it is what it is.

About half of our revenues go to charities anyway, which means that we don't have to earn our livings from offering our creative work ... fortunately. So, it's all not earth-shattering; there are other more serious issues out there. As I said, it's rather a matter of style but we have not to overstrain the topic.

So, good luck for the future!
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Most magic tricks ends up to be a spin off of something else,
and there are tons of them, some people even took the boogie board, put a sticker and sell it as a mentalism innovation, now that's way closer to a rip off,
if we stop innovation because something new share same base as something else, there would be zero progression.
i had been widly open with inner workings and always define it as using "parapad tecnology" even if its known the film is not manufactured by them,
I did apologize openly to paralabs in case they feel unrespected, never hide the way it works and the differences between both, and neither said its my own idea, its just my own research into improvements.
paralabs has all my respects and I apologize again for any inconvenience
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