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On Mar 18, 2016, selectedmagic wrote:
Wow respect! It's sad to see Nicholas posting on the other threads now while completely ignoring the posts about him ripping Bob Swadling and Rob Bromley off here. Having watched the videos he made and sent around before, it's so ironic. Now I feel bad for falling for his stories and bashed SM.


SM should still be bashed for their TV rights statement and those trailers though ...

But for their ethics part , they've probably gone the furthest for correcting their wrongs .
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I did not know that Bob had crated something similar to this many years ago and I am sure that Nick did not know either.
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All it takes is a bit of research and asking the other magicians. I had something I had been doing for close to 20 years. It was something that I came up with as a work around for not owning a gimmick. A few years ago I showed it to someone and they loved it and said that is something I could release. THen told me to contact a few people. With in a day the librarian at the Magic Castle found out that it was published by someone six months after I first started doing it in the 90's They had been doing it since the 80's though I didn't know who they were or seen them work. So There is a chance that Nicholas didn't know, but there is no way he did proper research to find out if there was something else just like it already out there.


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On Mar 18, 2016, selectedmagic wrote:
Wow respect! It's sad to see Nicholas posting on the other threads now while completely ignoring the posts about him ripping Bob Swadling and Rob Bromley off here. Having watched the videos he made and sent around before, it's so ironic. Now I feel bad for falling for his stories and bashed SM.


Had SansMinds done a bit of research they would have seen it was a Michael Close thing. Also Sans Minds deserve all that they get for their misleading ad copy and trailers gimmicks that break while learning the effect anf them not selling refills and the TV rights thight.
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On Mar 18, 2016, selectedmagic wrote:
Wow respect! It's sad to see Nicholas posting on the other threads now while completely ignoring the posts about him ripping Bob Swadling and Rob Bromley off here. Having watched the videos he made and sent around before, it's so ironic. Now I feel bad for falling for his stories and bashed SM.


SM should still be bashed for their TV rights statement and those trailers though ...

But for their ethics part , they've probably gone the furthest for correcting their wrongs .


Really? Because they have just been accused of faking parts of their trailer for their effect Token...
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Wow respect! It's sad to see Nicholas posting on the other threads now while completely ignoring the posts about him ripping Bob Swadling and Rob Bromley off here. Having watched the videos he made and sent around before, it's so ironic. Now I feel bad for falling for his stories and bashed SM.


SM should still be bashed for their TV rights statement and those trailers though ...

But for their ethics part , they've probably gone the furthest for correcting their wrongs .


Really? Because they have just been accused of faking parts of their trailer for their effect Token...


And that's why I mentioned that the running over DVDs is probably the only thing they did right . As for Token , I'm being positive believing they did borrow a straw and used a switch not taught on the DVD , but still ... Why not teach a better switching method ?

Ok ... we should get back on track ...
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On Mar 18, 2016, selectedmagic wrote:
Wow respect! It's sad to see Nicholas posting on the other threads now while completely ignoring the posts about him ripping Bob Swadling and Rob Bromley off here. Having watched the videos he made and sent around before, it's so ironic. Now I feel bad for falling for his stories and bashed SM.


SM should still be bashed for their TV rights statement and those trailers though ...

But for their ethics part , they've probably gone the furthest for correcting their wrongs .


I've seen this happened a few times with magic companies or creators. Most don't do much about it. I've never seen anyone gone that far to rectify the mistake. That's ethic worth respecting right there. I don't quite get the TV right issue though. I've seen the same statement from products by Shin Lim and other producers. What's really the issue there? Doesn't bother me as I don't have a TV show. If I do, I probably wouldn't mind paying a little extra to get exposure performing their creation on TV.
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I have to agree mostly with all of you. But,... I watched a performance of somebody doing to Bob Swadling Color Changing Card (http://youtu.be/Bdtw2JMECac) and it looks very different. Could somebody who owns it maybe PM me and let me know the things that are the same and different as Chroma so that I can be more educated about this subject?

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I have to agree mostly with all of you. But,... I watched a performance of somebody doing to Bob Swadling Color Changing Card (http://youtu.be/Bdtw2JMECac) and it looks very different. Could somebody who owns it maybe PM me and let me know the things that are the same and different as Chroma so that I can be more educated about this subject?

- Ari


Don't even need to PM it is the same but it seems Bob's are better made
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Just bought the original Bob Swadling's. Will let all here know how it turns out.
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That is pretty ironic Fatgumbo. It was a huge thing back then. Videos crying for help, crowd funding campaign... Smart fellow. Victim well played.


Let me start off by saying there is so much to say!! Im truly not the best at explaining everything when there is so much happeneing..firstly yourself and most of you on this forum have no clue what you are talking about when it comes down to myself and what ive been through in the magic industry. The People attacking me and spreading propaganda like husskarson + many more & maybe this new FatGumbo guy, these are most likely not real people sharing their opinions..these are Will Tsai himself or his minions at sansminds, let me clear that up ASAP! As for attacking me and saying I was a "victim well played" I am a victim 100% by Will Tsai & Sansminds & am still owed $$ & an apology. don't ever think you know what your talking about is fact unless it has happened to you or seen it LIVE. Lets talk about the $2 trick on the Wire that I "stole" I have records of creating that trick 4 years before It was published on the wire by (fake name) as well, Sensor Magic released Pound transpo which taught 2 methods and handlings not taught on the $2 download on the Wire THAT AGAIN WAS submitted by Will tsai to sabotague my sensor-magic release a week prior(i shouldnt have teased the effect on IG). Will Tsai started to attempt to release my ideas on the Wire & lie about my magic becauase he knew legally he cant release them and earn profit...its what he does, he will do anything to hurt my career at this point. As for me stealing the (trick rating info) at the end of our trailers? This system was actually originated by Xavier Spade and his company Lost Art Magic way before Sansmidns...now me using this system knowing that this rating system will become a standard for all magic companies because of its very useful nature isn't such a bad thing is it? and yes I truky did jump on after seeing sansminds "borrowing" at the end of their trailers.. simply to spit in their face.. aswell not allowing them to take credit for the rating idea that they took from orhers in the first place. Now the big one here is This release Chroma.. I honestly had no clue that There were previous versions on the market & simply joined Lloyd on a project we were excited to share together. I actually donated my time, construction & technique to this project and am no where near as proud of this project compared to other color changes I have created in the past, such as my Creation Evolve. If it was up to me, besides the additional work we did which does add more styles,applications and executions to this classic gimmick id say it isn't fair to Bob S for us to release further ideas with his gimmcik & would pull the release but know we all previously had no idea such gimmick already existed, we did our research & found the simple classic hold outwave change but nothing more. I promice I am not some evil creator trying to soak up $$ & fame.. I'm the opposite... Truly working on new projects everyday,researching and developing on projects I have conjured on my own time and very passionate about them and sinserly dream to see them blossom & inspire and yes to advanced my career and overall brand as a creator(maybe establish some foundation in my life as well). Believe what you want but I'm here to say truth & how unbelieveable it is I have to make this statement to defend myself after how hard I have worked and recieved so little from this industry. Will Tsai is a sick individual who is pulling strings to make me look like I'm un-ethical but if anything I am inexperienced and evolving as I type...mainly learning how devious some peoplecompanies can be. if you guys don't see it, ill work my hardest to prove how sick he & other companies are and collect bits from here on the Café showing you all how many Fake user names he has on this online magic forum. Tbis isn't all the details!! Any questions feel free to ask..i have nothing to hide.
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That is pretty ironic Fatgumbo. It was a huge thing back then. Videos crying for help, crowd funding campaign... Smart fellow. Victim well played.


Let me start off by saying there is so much to say!! Im truly not the best at explaining everything when there is so much happeneing..firstly yourself and most of you on this forum have no clue what you are talking about when it comes down to myself and what ive been through in the magic industry. The People attacking me and spreading propaganda like husskarson + many more & maybe this new FatGumbo guy, these are most likely not real people sharing their opinions..these are Will Tsai himself or his minions at sansminds, let me clear that up ASAP! As for attacking me and saying I was a "victim well played" I am a victim 100% by Will Tsai & Sansminds & am still owed $$ & an apology. don't ever think you know what your talking about is fact unless it has happened to you or seen it LIVE. Lets talk about the $2 trick on the Wire that I "stole" I have records of creating that trick 4 years before It was published on the wire by (fake name) as well, Sensor Magic released Pound transpo which taught 2 methods and handlings not taught on the $2 download on the Wire THAT AGAIN WAS submitted by Will tsai to sabotague my sensor-magic release a week prior(i shouldnt have teased the effect on IG). Will Tsai started to attempt to release my ideas on the Wire & lie about my magic becauase he knew legally he cant release them and earn profit...its what he does, he will do anything to hurt my career at this point. As for me stealing the (trick rating info) at the end of our trailers? This system was actually originated by Xavier Spade and his company Lost Art Magic way before Sansmidns...now me using this system knowing that this rating system will become a standard for all magic companies because of its very useful nature isn't such a bad thing is it? and yes I truky did jump on after seeing sansminds "borrowing" at the end of their trailers.. simply to spit in their face.. aswell not allowing them to take credit for the rating idea that they took from orhers in the first place. Now the big one here is This release Chroma.. I honestly had no clue that There were previous versions on the market & simply joined Lloyd on a project we were excited to share together. I actually donated my time, construction & technique to this project and am no where near as proud of this project compared to other color changes I have created in the past, such as my Creation Evolve. If it was up to me, besides the additional work we did which does add more styles,applications and executions to this classic gimmick id say it isn't fair to Bob S for us to release further ideas with his gimmcik & would pull the release but know we all previously had no idea such gimmick already existed, we did our research & found the simple classic hold outwave change but nothing more. I promice I am not some evil creator trying to soak up $$ & fame.. I'm the opposite... Truly working on new projects everyday,researching and developing on projects I have conjured on my own time and very passionate about them and sinserly dream to see them blossom & inspire and yes to advanced my career and overall brand as a creator(maybe establish some foundation in my life as well). Believe what you want but I'm here to say truth & how unbelieveable it is I have to make this statement to defend myself after how hard I have worked and recieved so little from this industry. Will Tsai is a sick individual who is pulling strings to make me look like I'm un-ethical but if anything I am inexperienced and evolving as I type...mainly learning how devious some peoplecompanies can be. if you guys don't see it, ill work my hardest to prove how sick he & other companies are and collect bits from here on the Café showing you all how many Fake user names he has on this online magic forum. Tbis isn't all the details!! Any questions feel free to ask..i have nothing to hide.


Do you even have any evidence to back up any of your claims that Will Tsai is trying to sabotage your releases? That the guy who released the trick on the wire was Will Tsai? It sounds like you are paranoid, overexaggerating and making extremely bold claims.. especially if you think I'm Will Tsai or part of the Sansminds team myself. I've been on the Café for a few years now, anyone looking at my profile can see that. Accusing me of 'spreading propaganda', that is laughable.

So, if it was up to you, the release would be pulled? Well you are the joint-creator of this effect, surely you would have taken steps already to rectify the situation? You recognise that this release shouldn't stand? And yet, it let it be published on Ellusionist, with your name associated with it? And no, you have not made improvements to a 'classic gimmick', it is identical to a marketed effect. The gimmick is not free information available in the public domain, new routines with a marketed gimmick does not constitute the right to re-release it WITHOUT permission from the creator.

We aren't hired by Sansminds , nor are we determined to make you suffer or to impede on your magic career. If you were so hard done by Sansminds, at least make an attempt to show and prove that your ethical standards are better than theirs.
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That's Right! I said it... Will Tsai & his minions are on here with made up names and have been using them forever for issues in the magic industry mostly protecting Sansminds products & Now coming to a forum near you! More Bs of Will Tsai basically talking to himself or his friends here on this forum like some *** elaborate story created by Will Himself.. Him & his friends work this Café like a german *** house. If I'm Lying please Will Tsai come here and tell me I'm wrong and defend all these negative attacks to my brand.
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Who the hell do you think you are fatgumbo?
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Who the hell do you think you are fatgumbo?


Whoa, I don't know who you think you are Nicholas, but that's really not a nice thing to say to anyone. After reading your long post, it surely looks like the opposite. It's like you are saying it's ok for you to steal because you have a reason. Who cares? Now that you are busted, are you going to do anything at all? You made it sound like everyone who has a problem with you stealing from other people works for SM. That's CRAZY! All the attack and propaganda spreading on the Internet we've seen are from you. From Facebook, crowd funding thing, videos.. Are you serious man? People are having problem with you stealing because you STOLE things from people. People think you are unethical because, again, you STOLE from people. Wake up! No Bob's effect is not a classic. He's still selling it. And NO, you did not improve it. C'mon that's lame.
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I havent read your entire comment but I did stop at "its ok for you to steal" I am not a thief and don't need to be...clearly.
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Speak to me on social media or email where real names are used when discuussing "serious" matters.. Apparently only known magicians have to use real names..and Will Tsai of course hiding behind fake names..pathetic.
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Do you have anything to back up your claims? It really does sound like you are paranoid. So far we've only seen you stealing from people here. Now that you "discovered" the trick is not yours to sell, are you going to do anything about it? And What's with your ego? You made a post before about people should talk to you and see how "real professional" works. And now "only known magicians..." Where exactly do you work as a "professional" that's better than the rest of us just normal working magicians?
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Checked my Inbox on FB...no complaints or Any people with issues..huh? that's weird by the way your speaking, I'm such a terrible person right?, your absolutley insane if you think I'm anything less than a dedicated creator trying to inspire and make a life for myself. Ive done nothing to deserve the things said..someone saying ive stolen work or I'm a thief. That coulnt be further from the truth.. I work hard every day of my life on my magic.
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No ego...i promice. More like the opposite actually. My life is a wreck and I'm doing anything I can to move forward.
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"a couple of months ago myself and nicholas lawrence sat down and took a look at a really old but really smart card gimmick that we both felt was really under used.
we started jamming our ideas and the next thing you know, we have both COME UP WITH OUR OWN UNIQUE HANDLINGS TO THE METHOD AND UPDATES TO THE GIMMICK."

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I am interested to know what you'd do to correct the wrongs too. Michael Mindreader brought up some good points. If you want to convince people you are ethical, you should let people know what you are going to do next. You are still selling Bob's effect. And it's not yours to sell. If you really have nothing to hide, why can't you answer questions from Fatgumbo, C Dunlop Magic, and Michael Mindreader here?
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