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Well at least this time Ellusionist first didn't take everybody's money with a pre-order. Baby steps......
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On Mar 3, 2016, Jon Allen wrote:
What is the difference between this and the Rob Bromley Changing Card put out by Bob Swadling?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdtw2JMECac


Good point John. Will be interesting to see Rasmus' version, hopefully soon.
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After putting hours of practice in it, I can honestly say it looks great... on camera. I don't usually complain about things under $20, but I wish I didn't toss $15 away if I didn't have to. The 'secret' is just too obvious and doesn't work live. There's a reason why in the trailer it was always partially out of frame during a critical moment. Be warned.. save your money folks..


Noooooooooooooooooo, E selling stuff only looking good on camera ??? You gotta be kidding me ! It's not like they've put out the biggest trash product for years called "Change" by Mr. Barnes..

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What is the difference between this and the Rob Bromley Changing Card put out by Bob Swadling?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdtw2JMECac


There is no difference. Lloyd's version of the gimmick is the same... Nicholas has a slight variation, but still pretty much the same method.

That was part of my disappointment as this is nothing new.
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So if there is no difference in the gimmick or the method, why is Rob Bromley's Changing Card being sold as a different product?

If anyone involved with its release can comment that would be decent.

Also, if you could take the time as well while you're commenting, why is it described as using "No flaps" when it absolutely 100% does use a flap?
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What is the difference between this and the Rob Bromley Changing Card put out by Bob Swadling?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdtw2JMECac


Looks like they don't throw it. Hence it's totally new right?
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Alrighty everyone...here it goes...
I have received my copy of Chroma. I put it together in just a minute. I played around with it. And honestly, I think this is good. Not great. But very good. It is definitely knacky and will take a fair amount of practice to get it down smoothly. Nicholas is a worker. I have supported him from the beginning and I know that everything he creates is workable in the real world.
I'll be honest, this gimmick is not necessarily a new idea. It's just reworked to make it simpler and less expensive. You may have seen the Boomerang card change a number of years ago. It was really cool. But it used elastic and would break and couldn't be replaced and was kind of expensive. This an awesome alternative. There are two different gimmick designs, which I really like. I could make one on the fly if I needed to. There have been other versions out there. This is just some more ideas on the concept. I think this version is more accessible for everyone. I think for the price it is definitely worth it. You pay $15 for knowledge you will have for the rest of your life. This is a very cool quick color change and is extremely practical. I have been a little disappointed in a number of Ellusionists releases over the past couple of years. This is not a disappointment. I'm going to use this. I really think a lot of you will like it and use it as well.
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Alrighty everyone...here it goes...
I have received my copy of Chroma. I put it together in just a minute. I played around with it. And honestly, I think this is good. Not great. But very good. It is definitely knacky and will take a fair amount of practice to get it down smoothly. Nicholas is a worker. I have supported him from the beginning and I know that everything he creates is workable in the real world.
I'll be honest, this gimmick is not necessarily a new idea. It's just reworked to make it simpler and less expensive. You may have seen the Boomerang card change a number of years ago. It was really cool. But it used elastic and would break and couldn't be replaced and was kind of expensive. This an awesome alternative. There are two different gimmick designs, which I really like. I could make one on the fly if I needed to. There have been other versions out there. This is just some more ideas on the concept. I think this version is more accessible for everyone. I think for the price it is definitely worth it. You pay $15 for knowledge you will have for the rest of your life. This is a very cool quick color change and is extremely practical. I have been a little disappointed in a number of Ellusionists releases over the past couple of years. This is not a disappointment. I'm going to use this. I really think a lot of you will like it and use it as well.


Hmmm..... Very interesting. A good review from a working magician. For $15.00 might be worth it.
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We were not Aware of Rob Bremley's creation taught Bob Swadling but we were aware that similar things have existed like hold-outs & non-visual changes but from what I had known its not available any longer. What lloyd & Myslef have really done here is found an old idea and taken it further by not only chnages the face of a card which is the only application ive been able to find in my research but what we are doing is changing both sides which I personally have never seen before jamming with Lloyd. He also took it even further by conjuring up the Dual Printing of a completely blank playing card, which in my opinion is just insane.. I understand this isn't an amazingly brand new concept but we have both put work into teaching anyone interested in this re-visited concept which I feel we have greatly improved upon aswell included our own original ideas.
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Alrighty everyone...here it goes...
I have received my copy of Chroma. I put it together in just a minute. I played around with it. And honestly, I think this is good. Not great. But very good. It is definitely knacky and will take a fair amount of practice to get it down smoothly. Nicholas is a worker. I have supported him from the beginning and I know that everything he creates is workable in the real world.
I'll be honest, this gimmick is not necessarily a new idea. It's just reworked to make it simpler and less expensive. You may have seen the Boomerang card change a number of years ago. It was really cool. But it used elastic and would break and couldn't be replaced and was kind of expensive. This an awesome alternative. There are two different gimmick designs, which I really like. I could make one on the fly if I needed to. There have been other versions out there. This is just some more ideas on the concept. I think this version is more accessible for everyone. I think for the price it is definitely worth it. You pay $15 for knowledge you will have for the rest of your life. This is a very cool quick color change and is extremely practical. I have been a little disappointed in a number of Ellusionists releases over the past couple of years. This is not a disappointment. I'm going to use this. I really think a lot of you will like it and use it as well.


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Rob Bromley still sells his Credit Card Change, which is essentially the Changing Card applied to a Credit Card to Playing Card...

http://www.alakazam.co.uk/product-Credit-Card-Change.html

To say that Chroma is unique because both sides change.... well in all fairness that's essentially what the Credit Card Change is.
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Hi All

Ok so I have had sometime to play with Chroma, many will know that this is not my type of thing as I'm more known more mentalism, but after seeing Chroma it had me thinking how I would use something like this.... PHOTO

I made up some photos and created a version where by a thought of person would vanish from a group photo, this works really well and looks amazing to the spectator to see the one person they named in the picture suddenly vanish.

Top job LLoyd and Nicholas

All the best

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This is definitely a better release from E considered I bought the previous release from Lloyd. That one I didn't even want to keep in my drawer. But this is NOT workable at all. After hours of practicing this 'new' handling, I can confirm that it looks way better on camera than live. It's painfully obvious to see this in person. I have Rob Swadling's original version. The original handling made sense and it's a real working piece. I feel this is a bad rip off. Same gimmick, same principle, nothing new at stake. If you want something for your webcam, get this. If you want something you can do live, pick up the original Bob Swadling-Changing Cards.
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Please stop saying things aren't workable when other people have said they are. Say it's not workable for you. One of the problems with reviews is people act like their experience is everyone's experience. It's very interesting how many times on here well known working magicians like something and give it thumbs up while unknown magi and hobbyists complain about it not being usable. Same thing is happening in the Never There thread right now. They're usable if you want to take the time to make them usable.
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This is definitely a better release from E considered I bought the previous release from Lloyd. That one I didn't even want to keep in my drawer. But this is NOT workable at all. After hours of practicing this 'new' handling, I can confirm that it looks way better on camera than live. It's painfully obvious to see this in person. I have Rob Swadling's original version. The original handling made sense and it's a real working piece. I feel this is a bad rip off. Same gimmick, same principle, nothing new at stake. If you want something for your webcam, get this. If you want something you can do live, pick up the original Bob Swadling-Changing Cards.


Thanks. I appreciate your honesty. Another unsatisfied customer. However, I'm going to purchase because it might work for me. Smile
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Seems like the main issue mostly surrounds the need to - at least in a live performance - misdirect audience attention away from the gimmick for a moment while it does its thing, but was presented on the trailer as a gimmick that needed no misdirection.

If the gimmick had been presented as below (Swadling's effect), would there have been a problem?

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This is definitely a better release from E considered I bought the previous release from Lloyd. That one I didn't even want to keep in my drawer. But this is NOT workable at all. After hours of practicing this 'new' handling, I can confirm that it looks way better on camera than live. It's painfully obvious to see this in person. I have Rob Swadling's original version. The original handling made sense and it's a real working piece. I feel this is a bad rip off. Same gimmick, same principle, nothing new at stake. If you want something for your webcam, get this. If you want something you can do live, pick up the original Bob Swadling-Changing Cards.


Thanks. I appreciate your honesty. Another unsatisfied customer. However, I'm going to purchase because it might work for me. Smile


While I appreciate the sarcasm, you're actually making my point. I went back and counted up the positive and negative reviews (it's a little hard to tell who actually has it and who's speculating). Ends up 4 negative, 1 middle, and 3 positive. 2 of the positive reviews are from very well known and respected pros. It's possible the negatives are as well, but I don't know their names.

My point is, if I listened to everyone's negative opinion I'd have missed dozens of great tricks along the way. Just as I've been led astray by some positive reviews which turned out to be unworkable for me. It's more whether an effect fits my needs.

As to this review, I'm confused. On one hand the complaint is that the new gimmick is exactly the same as Swadlings gimmick but somehow this one is unworkable live but the original is great?. Either it's the same gimmick, meaning it would work the same as the original gimmick or it's different and therefore not the same. Can't have it both ways.
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Why don't you buy it then SK? Jeez.
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Lloyds version is same as Swadlings. His handlings make it difficult not to flash, if you did it as Swadling teaches, with the toss, it works.

Nicholas' version is a bit different but relies on the same core principle- his is a little different than Sawdling's as the toss handling wouldn't work with his.
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Why don't you buy it then SK? Jeez.


Lol I put it in my cart but haven't for two reasons. One is I don't really like to buy from Ellusionist, I prefer dealing with Penguin and getting free shipping so unless I can't live without I rarely pull the trigger. Second, I used to buy everything and I've bought an awful lot of gimmicked cards over the past few years and I find I don't actually use most of them. I'm learning to be more selective in buying effects I'll actually use. Smile
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