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Sorry meant Bob should NOT feel honored
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Chessmann there's no way you are comparing Nicholas Lawrence and Bob Swadling. One is the top creator of our time. Where has Bob been while Nicholas is creating all these amazing stuff?
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On Mar 16, 2016, Elliot Nicklas wrote:
Chessmann there's no way you are comparing Nicholas Lawrence and Bob Swadling. One is the top creator of our time. Where has Bob been while Nicholas is creating all these amazing stuff?


Where has Bob been? He has been creating magic for the last 50 years. Stuff like Bob's Box, Blindspot, Double Deception Deluxe, Know it all wallet. I think Magic Moments came out in 2008. Then there is all of work with coins that people love. So Where had Bob been? Bob has been busy.
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Elliot, I certainly am! Of course, I am aware of both Nicholas *and* Bob, while it seems pretty clear that you are quite unaware of Bob Swadling's achievements. Where is Bob? Still working, and also likely enjoying the fruit of a very successful lifetime in magic. Had you lived in the 70's, I get the feeling you would be saying, "Howard Thurston? Where has HE been while Mark Wilson is amazing the world?"

Part of me thinks you can't be serious, and I'm falling victim to a troll Smile Time will tell, I suppose!
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Part of me thinks you can't be serious, and I'm falling victim to a troll Smile Time will tell, I suppose!



I'm getting the same feeling.
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Whoa... can't believe what I just read here. People serious about this? The sense of right and wrong now is indeed very different than back in the days..
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Pretty ironic that Nicholas lawrence had the whole fiasco with Sansminds because they were being unethical, yet he has tried to release tricks which Sansminds had to rights to with Shin Lim, ripped off Bob Swadling and also 'borrowed' Sansminds 'performance restrictions and product information' chart on the trailer for the release of his new trick: symbolized.
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Here's a honest review. I found it to be a 100% rip off of an item I already own after my purchase. It's bad taste to rip off customers like that. If they work with the real creator and mention anything in the ad I wouldn't have spent the money on something I already own. This is ridiculous and unethical in my book. This is Bob Swadling's color changing card. I am surprised no one really call them out?!


Feel better?



It usually doesn't take too long before one shows his true color. Just saying..
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That is pretty ironic Fatgumbo. It was a huge thing back then. Videos crying for help, crowd funding campaign... Smart fellow. Victim well played.
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As a young magician, I don't want to be involved in any arguments. I did not know that Bob had crated something similar to this many years ago and I am sure that Nick did not know either. Also, Fatgumbo, Nick was using the performance restrictions and product description chart before sansminds. It was used in the first video on Sensor-Magic (If I'm correct it should be his effect Download) and then a few weeks later Sansminds started using it in their products. Please let me know if I am incorrect as I know that all of you are very knowledgeable.

- Ari
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As a young magician, I don't want to be involved in any arguments. I did not know that Bob had crated something similar to this many years ago and I am sure that Nick did not know either. Also, Fatgumbo, Nick was using the performance restrictions and product description chart before sansminds. It was used in the first video on Sensor-Magic (If I'm correct it should be his effect Download) and then a few weeks later Sansminds started using it in their products. Please let me know if I am incorrect as I know that all of you are very knowledgeable.

- Ari


Ok. So I was wrong. Nick actually did do it after Sansminds, but a lot of companies are probably going to start doing something similar to that. I don't think there's anything wrong with it? If you want customers to know specifications about your product it doesn't matter how you tell them.

- Ari
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As a young magician, I don't want to be involved in any arguments. I did not know that Bob had crated something similar to this many years ago and I am sure that Nick did not know either. Also, Fatgumbo, Nick was using the performance restrictions and product description chart before sansminds. It was used in the first video on Sensor-Magic (If I'm correct it should be his effect Download) and then a few weeks later Sansminds started using it in their products. Please let me know if I am incorrect as I know that all of you are very knowledgeable.

- Ari


Ok. So I was wrong. Nick actually did do it after Sansminds, but a lot of companies are probably going to start doing something similar to that. I don't think there's anything wrong with it? If you want customers to know specifications about your product it doesn't matter how you tell them.

- Ari


Yes agreed. The information chart is always a good idea and more people should do it. However, that's not my main point. Also, most people have forgotten this but Nicholas ripped off a $2 trick move for move off the wire ! And released it as his pound transpo.

And now he's ripped off the Visible changing card. No credit was given and it seems no action has been taken to rectify this situation.
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I remember the guy from the wire making his posts here. Poor guy. He was ignored and no action was taken to rectify the situation from Nicholas.

AriTheMan I don't think not knowing justifies ripping people off. It's the creator's responsibility to do his research before releasing a product. Many of us know or own Bob's effect here. As an older fellow here, I think it's important to pass this down to young magicians like you. No one here could say he knows everything and people make mistakes sometimes. It's ok to make mistakes. Just make things right. If you release a trick someone else already did due to lack of research. just apologize and take it down. If you continues to sell it, it's a solid rip off. There's no reason you can't take it down. Like Fatgumbo said Nicholas was busted last time already. He ignored the guy and kept on selling other people's work. And now this. Time and time again, that's unethical. If people keep on getting away with this, our art will die. We'll lose the two most important things being an artist - ethic and originality. Just my two cents.
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That's very well said. I think that's exactly what the new comers in our art needs to learn. Bravo for saying it.
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I remember the guy from the wire making his posts here. Poor guy. He was ignored and no action was taken to rectify the situation from Nicholas.

AriTheMan I don't think not knowing justifies ripping people off. It's the creator's responsibility to do his research before releasing a product. Many of us know or own Bob's effect here. As an older fellow here, I think it's important to pass this down to young magicians like you. No one here could say he knows everything and people make mistakes sometimes. It's ok to make mistakes. Just make things right. If you release a trick someone else already did due to lack of research. just apologize and take it down. If you continues to sell it, it's a solid rip off. There's no reason you can't take it down. Like Fatgumbo said Nicholas was busted last time already. He ignored the guy and kept on selling other people's work. And now this. Time and time again, that's unethical. If people keep on getting away with this, our art will die. We'll lose the two most important things being an artist - ethic and originality. Just my two cents.


I fully agree with you .

But on a side note , isn't SM better than Nicholas in the case of the froggy release ? At least they ran over all their frogs and DVDs as a public apology .

Im referring to Prince in Disguise in case anyone is wondering what the frog is .

I'm never a fan of SM , but I'm just hoping Nicholas should do maybe better ... But ...
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Ran over? What's that about?
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Ran over? What's that about?


Sansminds released an effect called ' prince in disguise' and it was found to be very similar to a Michael close's frog prince effect. They ran over all the DVDS they had in their warehouse in a car , destroying them.
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Ran over? What's that about?


Never mind ... You don't have to know ...

The only thing SM did right is probably this one .
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Googled it up and found this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk-HhgyiW1s
That's amazing! Respect to SansMind
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Wow respect! It's sad to see Nicholas posting on the other threads now while completely ignoring the posts about him ripping Bob Swadling and Rob Bromley off here. Having watched the videos he made and sent around before, it's so ironic. Now I feel bad for falling for his stories and bashed SM.
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