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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yea but no. Peole are suggestible. Also people are gullible. Peopleare just flat out stupid. It does not mean that just because you can talk someone into doing something it was hypnosis.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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catweazle Special user 924 Posts |
But we cant even agree to what hypnosis is...milgrams set up was very similar to a hypnosis show set up...
it was only the suggestion of authority that made the subjects do it the fell for the white coats, the fell for the set up, once they stepped into his world, they did everything asked of them. its like joining the army, once you are in, you do as you are told, ultimately kill on command. you might once of been a nice lad, now you are a killer, because someone suggested it. nothing more. luckily hypnosis shows have no implied suggestion about killing people though |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
"just because you can talk someone into doing something it was hypnosis." It doesn't mean it wasn't either. After all don't we talk people into being hypnotized in the first place? hypnosis when you boil it down is just directing people through suggestion structured in a way that affects them in a specific way. I would say if you can talk people into doing things in "everyday" situations its more than likely you can talk them into more severe things in a hypnosis scenario.
But that is just my view....And its not the hypnosis doing the task its the person. Hypnosis is just a process. Its good to keep an open mind but just be careful who you let in... |
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Tristan14 New user 23 Posts |
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On Apr 11, 2016, catweazle wrote: Cant really make a comparison between hypnosis to joining the army? The army does not use hypnosis to train soldiers, there is more than one way to reprogram subconscious behaviors. Authority figures, repetition and ego are 3 I'd commonly associate with the army. Not hypnotic suggestion... I'd put training soldiers outside of "limits of hypnosis" as the subject of this post originated. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Stretching definitions does not help.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Restricting them doesn't help either since no one can agree on what it is in the first place. But for arguments sake with removed inhibitions and and a higher level of suggestibility and in many cases complete amnesia reported by those on stage and all the other group dynamics going on including social compliance or any other label you care to throw in etc. It can't be ruled out that some people may respond to suggestions in this situations and do things they wouldn't normally do including harming others.
>>>cant really make a comparison between hypnosis to joining the army? The army does not use hypnosis to train soldiers, there is more than one way to reprogram subconscious behaviors. Authority figures, repetition and ego are 3 I'd commonly associate with the army. Not hypnotic suggestion... I'd put training soldiers outside of "limits of hypnosis" as the subject of this post originated.<<< Actually all of the above IS associated with hypnosis and always has been. And certainly are elements used on stage. I think the problems arise when people think hypnosis is a thing. a noun. Its not really its a process its not a static thing we "go into" like a night club. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
It is also associated with being drunk or high so what?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Repitition,authority and ego manipulation are elements within the process of stage hypnosis. Drunks have zero to do with the process of hypnosis. Unless you buy your volunteers drinks to get them ****ed? Neither is being high unless you are referring to drug induced hypnosis which I really don't know enough about to comment.
My point of view is its probably more useful to keep an open mind. But of course you are free to close yours.... |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Having an open m mind is great. Not so open that you fall for any bs someone spews.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Where is the BS or spews? I have an open mind about certain limits because no one knows for sure NO ONE. Plus the endless variables presented in different shows with different people you cannot totally predict how someone might react. And my own experience leads me to "believe" there is a percentage of people that would do almost anything if it the suggestions were framed correctly.
Its not that I think its great I just think its useful. Open mind doesn't mean I'm gullible it just means I am extra careful in case of the possibility. It also allows you to be more flexible in other areas of hypnosis. There is no argument here because no one can say either way with 100% certainly its more of a choice as to what you believe is the most useful for you. |
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WillBox Regular user 146 Posts |
Dannydoyle - when Ant gives a perfectly clear and concise response debunking the hidden observer, rather than thanking him for steering you away from some outdated myth you were hanging on to, you completely ignore it. Instead you choose to distract onto another element of discussion, criticising Ant's work, then criticising him more when he doesn't fall for your distraction bait. Can you not see how unbelievably infantile and pathetic that is?
In another thread James Brown correctly points out a false assumption you made. His points are entirely valid. Yet again, you try to blast him down with distractions, irrelevance and more biased thinking. You then write "Funny how these innocents invariably are low to no level of experience and invariably attack first, then cry when are answered in kind." Then in this thread you write to Ant "Painting me as upset to diminish what I say is really silly please stop." Can you see your huge hypocrisy there? Probably not. Added to which JB is very experienced, and I would vastly prefer his opinions and contributions to yours (which aren't useful at all and mostly unpleasant to read). But sadly, like myself and many others, he isn't motivated to contribute when people like yourself do your best to ruin threads. Anyhow, I'm sure you'll appreciate the negative attention and knowing that your approach to things is successfully working to drive good people away (so you can keep it all for yourself like an angry little child). You think your experience equates to wisdom and knowledge but it really doesn't - your experience has driven you further and further into your ignorance and closed mindedness. If you had a hidden observer, it would surely be aware of how unbelievably bitter and pathetic you really are beneath your skewed reality and delusions of grandeur. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yea it is an outdated myth. Hypnosis is really the Jedi Mind Trick my bad.
Speaking of pathetic this place has become a wonderful example of the Dunning /Kruger effect, provided it is not an outdated myth. How many hypnosis shows do yoy do Will? Always amusing how no name no nothing pseudonyms crash in here like this to set us straight. Thank you so much. Yes there are all types of cases where people murder others because they have been hypnotized. I simply am a moron. People don't know enough to look out for their item good. Yes indeed I am the ignorant one.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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WillBox Regular user 146 Posts |
Do you think if you keep saying "outdated myth" that the meaning of your ignorance will dilute?
The fact that you quoted the hidden observer as a rationale for anything is proof that you don't really keep up to date with things at all - so how many of your other ideas about hypnosis are a bunch of old guff? What other misinformations are you peddling? You're genuinely worse than a newbie - at least they know where they're at. "I simply am a moron... Yes indeed I am the ignorant one." Thank you - this rare moment of clarity from you gives some hope after all. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yea that probably passes for wit in your World but you are about half right.
What "experience"do you have exactly?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
And what does this have to do with entertainment? Other than coming in here flaming and flinging, it has nothing to do with entertaining with hypnosis. If you talk hypnosis, techniques and theory, go to a hypnosis forum.
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WillBox Regular user 146 Posts |
Is that parody? Satire? I can't tell anymore.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yes no name flamers. The best type. What is your experience?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
So if you are here for any reason other than to flame how about you show something to back up your claims?
Tell us who you are. Let us hear about your bay experience that informs your opinions.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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writeall Special user Midland, Michigan 930 Posts |
Mr. D is correct. We should mention our experience base so the proper weight can be assigned to our opinions.
I recently (yesterday) read the Wikipedia entry on Stage Hypnosis. Go ahead and ask me stuff. |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
Participants here are one of two things - A.) either experienced workers that have and/or are performing (stage) hypnosis entertainment or B.) those that have not are are interested in learning more about this. It is really quite simple with little or no grey area. So identify which you are so everyone knows and proceed as indicated. Simple. This forum is NOT supposed to be about theory or believability, so it is really clear how to participate. Either share your experiences and knowledge based on performing hypnosis, or listen, learn and ask question about the proper topics of the forum to those that have the knowledge and experience. It really is quite simple. So what's the problem?
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