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On Mar 31, 2016, Jerskin wrote:
I've been looking for a monte to learn.


I have a number of Mark Mason items and really love them...

However, I don't care for this. You can't hand out the cards, and they are not going to last very long.

If you want a really good monte where you could can make the set yourself, you should check out Piccadilly Square by Paul Gordon.

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Assume you mean 'Corner of Piccadilly', it's a great monte but I think you need to be wearing a jacket which has always put me off.
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Assume you mean 'Corner of Piccadilly', it's a great monte but I think you need to be wearing a jacket which has always put me off.


Never liked the corner of Piccadilly as if I am right it uses 4 cards and a monte should only use 3 and you have to use your top pocket .
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Still prefer Garrett Thomas's Stand Up Monte.
Has the wow factor of a gaff but you end clean, and nothing to break or wear out other than normal card usage.
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On Apr 3, 2016, 3piecesweet wrote:
Assume you mean 'Corner of Piccadilly', it's a great monte but I think you need to be wearing a jacket which has always put me off.


Yes, corner of Piccadilly. And, yes, it requires a breast pocket, either shirt or jacket.
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I always use Skinners Monte it's in my wallet in fact I have at least 4 sets of the cards . I really like this one for the visual ! looks like a lot of fun nice way to end with the money card the queen in the pocket between the bill. Does anyone know if it's delicate ? or made sturdy ?
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This kind of products will spoil eventually with constant use , even if it's made well . Maybe I'll get it for casual performances , but definitely not for table hopping ... I don't know when this is suddenly going to break .
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On Apr 1, 2016, MaxfieldsMagic wrote:
Going to Magi-Whirl in DC tonight, and I think Mason is going to be there. I've vowed not to purchase anything at this convention, but looking forward to watching some of his demos, including this. Looking at the video, I wonder whether the complete disappearance of the money card at the end points to the method a bit. But then you could always have it "reappear" somewhere else.

Similarly, that's what happens with Gaetan Bloom's escorial Monte.
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......start=30

You can start by showing 4 cards, 3 nine of spades, 1 jack of diamonds, and hand out one face down card (the jack of diamonds), and then you show in your hands there are three cards, two nine of spades and one jack of diamonds (which is the gimmicked card, attached to a nine of spades). You put them face down, mix them, and allow them to pick the jack. If you do it right (i.e., you put the gimmicked card on top of the face-up pile of three cards when showing them, before mixing the cards face down) the card they pick can't be the gimmicked one. I like this version since it allows the spectator to touch the cards multiple times, and giving them the impression that all the cards are normal. At the end, you reveal they couldn't win since all the three cards are nine, and the cards they were holding at the beginning was in fact the jack of diamonds.

For what I guessed about "In the Middle", it would be difficult to find a way to let the spectators touch the cards. Still, I'm interested in the trick. Seems funny to play with. I wonder if you can do the final routine as in Bloom's Escorial monte, where the money card switches place with one of the other 3 normal cards. In my opinion, an effect which a card appears out of nowhere is less impressive than an effect which two cards switch places without being in contact.
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Re: Corner of Piccadilly and the fact that "you have to wear a jacket/shirt with a breast pocket".

Really?

Has nobody ever heard of trouser/jeans/shorts pockets?

Seriously guys, some of the 'advice' bestowed upon the community on here is truly laughable at times. Smile
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It's a poor mans monty Merc Man everybody knows it , Paul tries to sell it to the cows come home at conventions but real corporate workers walk by him and say alright Paul not to offend but it's not a great version for a A1 set you know it as does any real proper pro IMO
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My comment wasn't aimed at the workability of the trick Tarik - I don't perform it.

As far as 'monte' style tricks are concerned, I've ALWAYS performed Joe Riding's 'Irish Three Card Trick with Four Cards' with Jumbo's. It's been around since 1972, was Ken Brooke's best ever selling item, Fred Kaps added subtleties to it and it's has been ripped-off by countless dealers over the past 40+ years. Maybe you're going to tell me that isn't a worker either?

The point I was actually making, that appears to have gone over your head, is that the card switch required in Corner of Piccadilly does NOT, as stated above, need a jacket or shirt with breast pocket, to perform - despite that's how Paul Gordon dems it. You can, quite obviously, also uses a trouser pocket. It doesn't need someone to think that far outside of the box, surely?
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Good points Merc Man I see what you are saying now 😊
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On Apr 1, 2016, MaxfieldsMagic wrote:
Going to Magi-Whirl in DC tonight, and I think Mason is going to be there. I've vowed not to purchase anything at this convention, but looking forward to watching some of his demos, including this. Looking at the video, I wonder whether the complete disappearance of the money card at the end points to the method a bit. But then you could always have it "reappear" somewhere else.



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The cards are extremely flimsy and have a "shine" to them, it doesn't mean they won't last, but they do look unusual, even to a lay audience. Perform the effect, put the cards away, then quickly move on to your next effect.
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I believe it does say in the ad copy that it uses Phoenix double deckers so the shine and thinness is to be expected.
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It's a poor mans monty Merc Man everybody knows it , Paul tries to sell it to the cows come home at conventions but real corporate workers walk by him and say alright Paul not to offend but it's not a great version for a A1 set you know it as does any real proper pro IMO.


I'd strongly disagree, it is a well-routined piece of fractal card magic. Do you actually perform this trick? It is a "magician's monte", not a demo of the traditional short con, so there is no issue with using four cards. Done correctly, this consistently gets great reactions when I perform it.

I like the look of "In the Middle". However, as others have stated, when I have so many no-gaff monte routines in my bag of tricks (this even includes one that has a similar vanish that relies on an optical principle, not a gaff), I can't really justify buying one that will get dirty with use and wear out.

Still, the magic junkie inside me wants it!
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On Apr 7, 2016, videoman wrote:
I believe it does say in the ad copy that it uses Phoenix double deckers so the shine and thinness is to be expected.

Plus he mentions on the DVD that they're plastic, and washable...as I look at the gimmicks, I think most laymen will not notice anything unusual...
I think, as magicians, sometimes we worry too much...
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On Apr 7, 2016, videoman wrote:
I believe it does say in the ad copy that it uses Phoenix double deckers so the shine and thinness is to be expected.

Plus he mentions on the DVD that they're plastic, and washable...as I look at the gimmicks, I think most laymen will not notice anything unusual...
I think, as magicians, sometimes we worry too much...




Absolutely double deckers all look like this and I have never been questioned with them . Yes have not bought Corner of Piccadilly but trust me have seen so many people walk past Pauls stand as he explains what a worker this is and I am talking about the top top corporate London boys and they look at each other smile and say really Paul ! That's the Gods honest truth its an alright effect but not great 😊
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Plus he mentions on the DVD that they're plastic, and washable...as I look at the gimmicks, I think most laymen will not notice anything unusual...
I think, as magicians, sometimes we worry too much...


That's good news, might look at getting this end, as I love monte routines. If you can clean dirt spots off the cards, the trick will last a lot longer.

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Yes have not bought Corner of Piccadilly but trust me have seen so many people walk past Pauls stand as he explains what a worker this is and I am talking about the top top corporate London boys and they look at each other smile and say really Paul ! That's the Gods honest truth its an alright effect but not great 😊


I'll trust my own experience thanks, which tells me that this is a good trick for strolling situations. Is it the best packet trick ever? No, but just because a few pros don't like it (or don't like Paul's style/material in general, which is more likely the case) this doesn't automatically invalidate the fact that it is a good trick, with a solid structure, and surprising kicker ending. If you don't like it, then that's all good and well, but telling everyone else it's a bad trick when you haven't even performed it is misguided at best.
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