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The key point is habitual use. The drug is a depressant and it inhibits action. You become passive and unmotivated. If you're a potential loser it's only worse. I have seen several smart, motivated people use pot to excess and become unmotivated losers. A lot of successful people have smoked pot. Show me the habitual user that is successful.
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On Apr 1, 2016, The Hermit wrote:
Show me the habitual user that is successful.


Do you live in Southern California? I know a few.
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So, you're saying smoking weed doesn't turn you into a loser, it's people who are already losers that decide to smoke weed. Hmmmm, you might have a point. Smile



Actually, I was suggesting that there might be no causality involved at all, but I agree that there might be a causal connection, and if so, it might run in either direction. Or both directions.


For whatever my intuition is worth, I'd bet on both directions.
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Show me the habitual user that is successful.


Do you live in Southern California? I know a few.


Actually I know of more than a few, but in the aggregate it is anecdotal. I do not and have never used it. But in comedy clubs I am the exception to the rule. I know of a very large number of very successful comedians who are habitual users. Also musicians.
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And I've known of many people past their eighties who were regular smokers. I guess that proves that smoking doesn't kill after all!
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Either that or you don't know the meaning of anecdotal.
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Anecdotal evidence is pretty convincing.
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Either that or you don't know the meaning of anecdotal.


Are those the only two options?
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So am I to understand here that some people feel that being a habitual user as opposed to a casual is the same thing? An that both (habitual and casual) are good for you and neither has a negative effect on oneself? Just trying to figure out where some of you are coming from. Smile
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Really slowly and simply:

Correlation studies do not demonstrate causation.
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To put it another way, the claim that "toking a lot of weed over several years turns someone into a loser" is a logically and scientifically unjustified mischaracterization of the actual study results.

Amusingly, for those who seem to have trouble following that, I know at least two habitual pot smokers who can explain it to you.
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Really slowly and simply:

Correlation studies do not demonstrate causation.


Have we established that the study in question is merely correlational?
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Correlation studies do not demonstrate causation.


Have we established that the study in question is merely correlational?



"...we do not purport to report a causal relationship between cannabis dependence and economic/social problems..."

Close enough for me.
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Really slowly and simply:

Correlation studies do not demonstrate causation.


Have we established that the study in question is merely correlational?



"...we do not purport to report a causal relationship between cannabis dependence and economic/social problems..."

Close enough for me.


Merci. As noted, I haven't read the study closely. Looks like the authors anticipated this discussion. Smile
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Looks like the authors anticipated this discussion. Smile



I imagine so, but it wasn't really a Nostradamus-like limb they were out on.
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Looks like the authors anticipated this discussion. Smile



I imagine so, but it wasn't really a Nostradamus-like limb they were out on.


I was hoping for a matched-sample sort of strategy.
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The best lack all conviction, while the worst
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I don't know if this is a proper study or not, but I am curious as to why it's "smoking weed will make you a loser" and not "using mind altering devices will make you a loser?" For example, wouldn't someone who say drank a quart or two of beer every day be just as likely to become a "loser?"

I don't use marijuana, I don't drink and I don't smoke (although I have done each in the past and didn't like them) but I don't see why marijuana keeps getting the "demon weed" scenario whereas I don't see what marijuana would do that someone heavily smoking and drinking wouldn't also do to their system.
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Because the thread is not about the study.

It's about marijuana use as a proxy for something else.
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Are you talking about the stock market again?
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Because the thread is not about the study.

It's about marijuana use as a proxy for something else.


I'd say it's because it is about the study...and the study is about marijuana, not alcohol or any other substance.
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