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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
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On Apr 9, 2016, acesover wrote: EXACTLY!!!
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
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On Apr 9, 2016, Randwill wrote: PayPal is just in the political bandwagon. They operate in more than 15 countries where homosexuality is illegal. They can afford to lose a call center in NC but they can't afford to do the same with the other countries. Hypocrites. NC just needs to weather the storm, they'll move onto another state soon enough.
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
What does ICAC stand for?
I'll let you use the power of deduction to figure it out
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Randwill Inner circle 1914 Posts |
Another provision of the same NC bill is coming under scrutiny. The new law bars workplace discrimination claims from North Carolina courts. Workers who feel they have been treated unfairly by employers must now turn to the federal court system, a system more expensive and more difficult to traverse. As this article points out, a strong incentive not to sue:
http://www.charlottemagazine.com/Charlot......facebook |
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Randwill Inner circle 1914 Posts |
Also on the entertainment side, composer Stephen Schwartz ("Wicked", "Godspell", "Pippin", "The Magic Show") will no longer allow any theater or organization based in North Carolina to produce any of his shows. He is encouraging other theater writers and producers to do the same.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/po......432.html |
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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
I know who Springsteen is. He's huge. Still a pointless gesture that accomplishes nothing. He has deprived his NC fans of a concert. Big whup. And the NY Broadway guys might take away some old theater productions. I'm sure that has NC lawmakers scared. A bunch of artists withholding their work. As to PayPal. That's more prr for a SF company where that pr counts. Oh my 400 mediocre jobs will go elsewhere.
If Bruce had balls he would have done the concert and rallied the troops to fight the law. But that would mean a real effort. Scooting to the next luxury hotel is easier. |
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Randwill Inner circle 1914 Posts |
"On February 1, 1960, four African American college students sat down at a lunch counter at Woolworth’s in Greensboro, North Carolina, and politely asked for service. Their request was refused. When asked to leave, they remained in their seats. Their passive resistance and peaceful sit-down demand helped ignite a youth-led movement to challenge racial inequality throughout the South." From: http://americanhistory.si.edu/brown/hist......e-2.html
Were those students ego-driven grandstanders out to make good PR? Do you see no value in people (rich or poor) standing up for what they believe, in the ways that are available to them? |
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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
To sit down at a lunch counter when you're not welcome takes guts. Are you seriously suggesting that a multimillionaire skipping a concert is the same?
Magnus, to make out that a minuscule portion of society's unfortunates wanting to choose bathrooms on the whim of their passions in any way equates to the black men and women that died fighting segregation is deplorable. And, to your reference about the south, remember that NY had a long history of racism. Jones beach overpasses come to mind. |
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
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On Apr 10, 2016, The Hermit wrote: Not impressed - it sounds a lot like the stuff they would have said about Ray Charles when he refused to play for segregated audiences in Georgia. -JoeJoe
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Pointless gesture? Agree or disagree it is certainly not pointless.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Randwill Inner circle 1914 Posts |
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On Apr 10, 2016, The Hermit wrote: A lunch counter sit-in is a different activity than cancelling a concert. But both are ways of protesting injustice by people using the devices available to them. |
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3014 Posts |
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On Apr 10, 2016, The Hermit wrote: Kinda like one working class woman no one has ever heard of refusing to sit in the back of a bus in Montgomery, huh?
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On Apr 10, 2016, The Hermit wrote: 1. Discrimination is not a function of population size. 2. Where does "on the whim of their passions" come from and how is it morally relevant? 3. I have made no reference to "the south". Maybe you have someone else in mind.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Randwill Inner circle 1914 Posts |
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On Apr 10, 2016, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: I suspect Hermit means the way his or her whim is to be comfortable identifying with the sex indicated on his or her birth certificate or not. Doesn't everybody go back and forth on that insignificant aspect of their selves? |
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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
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On Apr 10, 2016, Andrew Zuber wrote: Once again how do you make that leap between the two? I don't think anyone is using Springsteen's cancelled concert to rally around in stopping the law. Just so we are clear, that was no working class woman no on heard of. She was an NAACP activist and refusal to sit in the back had been done before. Her's was a coordinated effort with black activists to start the uproar. It was part of an overall plan. My point is that one missed concert by a rich musician is unlikely to make change. It's exactly like the 'working class woman story'. The change only came through concerted effort, one part was the refusal to sit in the back of the bus. You should look at the stories they tell you in school as a partial truth. |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On Apr 10, 2016, The Hermit wrote: Is what you don't do relevant? Maybe they will rally; maybe they won't. I suspect that it's more likely that they (incipient concert-goers) will now that they've been affected personally. Maybe not a lot more likely, but more likely nonetheless. |
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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
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On Apr 10, 2016, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Randwill made the southern reference. Inconvenience is a matter of population size. Do we accommodate everyone's desires for everything? If you have male parts, you can use a urinal. If you have lady parts, you can't. I don't care one way or another, I'm just tired of the demands by small groups to accommodate every whim. As to the whims, Gender Dysmorphia is considered a disorder. There is no science that says they are not confused people with a host of issues - latent homosexuality or other things. It's a tiny fraction of people anyway. Morals have nothing to do with it. If you remove your man parts, you can go to the ladies room. What's wrong with that. If you're truly a woman inside, you'll make the change. If you're not sure, then maybe we need to treat you as your biology dictates. I believe that is what the law says. All of you strict science guys seem to roll over on the biology vs gender issue. Gender is for nouns. Sex is for people. You aren't a woman, so why do you feel you have to be treated as one when using the bathroom. You can identify as a space alien, but you're not. This process is already being abused by perverts. In fact the NC guy leading the charge is a pedophile and convicted sex offender. It's just one more issue of SJW's forcing their agenda on the public at large. Some progressive states will go there and some won't. The reps should be responding to their people. Let the ones that want to do it, do it and leave those that don't alone. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On Apr 10, 2016, The Hermit wrote: A fundamental sticking point is your (and others') insistence that there are only two sexes/genders. Further, there is an insistence that an outsider can (and should) determine which of those two categories every person on the planet is appropriately placed in. I can't speak for anyone else, but my stance is that 1. Two categories are insufficient. 2. Each individual is best placed to determine how they express gender (or sexual) identity.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
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On Apr 10, 2016, Randwill wrote: One is where you go into a place where people want to kill you because of your color and don't want you near them. Those people may hunt you down later for what you did and hurt you badly. The other is skipping a concert and going the next luxury hotel and concert with nothing more done. Yes they are EXACTLY the same level of courage and impact Randwill, keep telling yourself that. It is insane that anyone conflates the civil rights movement with tranny rights. How can you find moral equivalence here? |
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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
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On Apr 10, 2016, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: There are only two sexes, period. No outsider decided anything, nature, GOD or the universe did. The law is only saying that you can use the restroom based on your biology. Just because you believe two categories are insufficient doesn't make it so. There are two recognized categories. You can express your gender however you want. Once again, gender is used incorrectly. You just can't go in the room with the parts you don't have. What's the big problem? |
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