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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Bazar de Magia and Juan Pablo have created something new and interesting in rope magic called "Roped Evolution". Hard to explain the effect, as it is very different from anything I have seen.
Received this unique rope presentation today in the mail. Watched the excellent video routine presentation and explanation. Enclosed in the box, is everything you will need to set it up and begin working on your timing of the illusion portion of the trick. Namely the back and forth movement of the ropes. It is not complicated in any way, and you are left relatively clean at the end, with just the 2 ropes, which can be used in any trick you care to continue with in your act. The two ropes can be any size, but the long ropes, in my opinion adds to the effect and puzzlement of the illusion shown. I think if you take your height and arm spread into consideration, so that when you spread your arms the ropes are off the floor, you will be okay. This is not a close-up trick, it is stand-up trick to be presented in front of a small group or large stage audience. Play it however you see fit for your personality, puzzled, magician in trouble, what is going on here, whatever you feel fits your style. I was at 1st disappointed with the setup, as it was explained as a trick that has to be presented as a opener. This kind of limits the use of this very different illusion effect. Finally, toward the end, Juan Pablo reveals how to set it up in front of the audience. Using a briefcase or table with a lid or barrier to block the setup process. It will only take a few seconds to setup, but you must lay out the items so that the setup time is reduced to the bare minimum for your audience. You have to wear a jacket of some kind, sport coat, suit, any open front jacket will work. Everything is covered in the video, so watch everything on the video DVD. I think this is a real puzzler of an illusion when presented correctly. It should not take anyone very long to get the routine down and working for them. There is a setup on your person, but it is minimum effort involved. I see this as an extension of a rope routine you are already doing. Show your regular rope routine, then put the rope away and come out set for the Evolution routine. If you can't think of a follow-up trick, I suggest you try the Grandma's Necklace aka Lazy Magician's Rope Trick, as being left with the 2 ropes are a perfect lead in for that trick. Just off the top of my head. |
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davekilpatrick Loyal user Syracuse, NY 295 Posts |
I happened to be on the Bazar de Magia website tonight and saw this. I checked the Café to see if anyone knew of it and came across your nice review! Thanks, Bill! It's already on my wish list!
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Sealegs Inner circle The UK, Portsmouth 2596 Posts |
I watched the video/demo and at the end of it didn't realise that I'd seen the effect!! So I went looking for a demo of the effect on Bazar de Magis's website, watched the same clip again and then got it. I don't know if that makes me thick or if it means the video demo clip is poorly done.
I see what Bill means about it being difficult to explain the effect. The ropes seem to get magically threaded and unthreaded in different ways through your jacket. It looks like a sort of, newer, more magical based take on the old Prof Cheers rope routine. I'll be interested to hear from Bill how this goes over with an audience if he gets round to performing it. It looks like the type of thing that would be best done as almost a throw away sequence but maybe that's a function of not seeing the complete start to finish routine/effect in the demo (Which is a pet peeve of mine) I also wonder if it might be slightly too confusing to be effective? What do you reckon Bill?
Neal Austin
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Hi Sealegs, have to say, that is the complete routine in the demo, nothing missing or taken out. The ropes threw neck is bit was discovered while Juan Pablo was creating the effect.
I reckon that this would be more your style of zany magic, Juan plays it silent, but as mentioned there are other ways to get what is happening across to the audience, depending on your character during your act. My initial thought is, this is not an opening trick, to tell the audience who you are and what you will be performing for them. I also think, a lot depends on what you will do with the 2 long ropes as a follow-up to this. Maybe a ropes through body, or large block, or even if you have an assistant or spectator ropes through girl, like Abbott's My Lady Steps Out illusionette. http://www.abbottmagic.com/My-Lady-Steps......oryId=-1 |
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
#ONE on my list of CRITERIA, is VISUAL EFFECT. --And, this IS visual! (Here comes the "but"): But,I find it "difficult" to say what the EFFECT "is/was"!
Bill Hegbli and I have been around for a "awhile". I think that we both have seen most, if not all, of the tricks (!) done! I do thank Bill for bringing this intriguing bit to our attention. It DOES remind me of the late Charlie Miller's line: "But, HOW DO YOU GET "INTO" IT?" Neal, I agree with your thoughts! It also reminds me of Professor Cheer's routine. and/or "Your Button is Loose" (can't recall, for sure, whose original idea that THAT was. --Gene Kirk???) I vaguely remember the "Buttons" bit, from an old Magic Inc."Trick Talk", about 30 or 40 years ago. I also concur with Bill, that it's not an opener! It COULD, possibly work as an "opener" to a rope routine (here comes another, "but"!): But, I'm not sure "how"! If it was to be a "lead in" to the "Cords of Fantasia" (Dante's "Lazy Magician") it might work. The original Grandma's Necklace ("ropes & tape" principle) requires a bit of set up, so Cords of Fantasia would be more logical. In the right performer's act, it could play, as an amusing "bit", but, I stress the word "could". As Neal noted, "...it might be slightly too confusing to be effective."
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Sealegs Inner circle The UK, Portsmouth 2596 Posts |
Thanks for the info Bill. It seems that after not realising I'd seen the effect I then didn't realise I'd seen the entire routine! It's an odd enough effect to have me wanting to like it... but I'm struggling to see what the audience would make of it and how I'd be able to sell it. It looks like it might almost need to be explained to the audience as to what's happening (which might be difficult if I'm not sure myself) But I'm not sure there's enough of an effect there to warrant such a pointed presentation.
Like I say I want to like it (and I think I do) I just can't (yet) see what I (or anyone else) could do with it to make it play. Hence my thought of it maybe being ok as a throwaway. Something that if it doesn't register is of little consequence as you'd be onto the next thing. (presumably with the rope)
Neal Austin
"The golden rule is that there are no golden rules." G.B. Shaw |
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Gaijin Regular user 175 Posts |
I think that it could be an opener. The preparation should take a few seconds if you are able to hide it which is why this is not realistic to do close-up but in a parlor/stage, this is doable between 2 routines.
If I would do it, this would be an introduction to the rope and tape principle with the spectator escaping his own jacket as a sequel, using the classic method the second time. |
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MartÃn Pacheco Regular user Argentina 112 Posts |
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Gaijin Regular user 175 Posts |
The first phases are slightly confusing for the mind, my (sometimes) drunk spectators may not get it every time but the last phase is really magical, I love it.
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baal Regular user 104 Posts |
Ok so I'm really interested in it. I love first version of roped- with only one rope. I don't have it -but love the idea of the trick. What's the difference? First version looks for me "more magical". Roped evolution doesn't looks that "clear" because of 2 ropes. Could you help me with choice please?
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Sealegs Inner circle The UK, Portsmouth 2596 Posts |
I wasn't aware of the '1st version'... 'Roped'. So thanks for bringing it to my (our?) attention.
I think the effect is a lot clearer than 'Roped Evolution'. The progression of what is happening seems far easier to follow and there seems to be more to it. With Roped Evolution just as you're realising there's something odd going on and the effect is over and I'm still not sure what the audience is supposed to think is going on right at the end. Of course my opinion on 'Roped' has the advantage of me having seen 'Roped Evolution' first and therefore knowing in advance what type of 'effect' to expect. But even taking that into account I think Roped is a much clearer sequence of events and therefore a stronger piece of magic and theatre. I suspect there's slightly more involved to make it work... and if that is the case it might make it solely an opening piece. Perhaps someone can comment/confirm whether this is the case?
Neal Austin
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
I am unaware of any "1st version", I think baal meant to say "1st Part" of the effect or routine on the video. Again, I think he means that he does not want to end with 2 long ropes between his hands. I do not think that is possible, because what you are watching is an illusion, and the illusion will be destroyed without ending with two ropes.
Roped Evolution is as you see in the video. |
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baal Regular user 104 Posts |
I'm talking about first version which is on the market for many years, and was done with only one rope. I think I will order the old one. Evolution is too confusing in my opinion.
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Care to reference this 1st version, as Juan Pablo, totally invented Roped Evolution himself, as he states on the DVD. No inspiration from others.
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baal Regular user 104 Posts |
I know, 1st version is his.
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Yet, no reference, why so mysterious.
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baal Regular user 104 Posts |
I have no idea what are you about to be honest.
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Simple, you say there was a 1st version, when I ask for a reference, you do no give the web address to this 1st version. Which means there is no 1st version.
I am about honesty, and learning, if you make a statement, then you back it up with fact. What was the name of the 1st version marketed, and who sold it. Juan Pablo said he discovered this 10 years ago, he did not mention ever marketing it, as it was not in it's finished form as being sold today. |
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Sealegs Inner circle The UK, Portsmouth 2596 Posts |
Bill, the same guy who came up with, 'Roped Evolution' had previously released a similar trick called 'Roped'. I don't think anyone was trying to be mysterious ... I just think that they didn't understand that you hadn't got that the same guy had brought out an earlier version.
So although baal gave no web address that doesn't mean there's no 1st version. To find it I simply did a youtube search using the terms;... Roped, Bazar... and it's the first video to be listed! You can do the same or see it here
Neal Austin
"The golden rule is that there are no golden rules." G.B. Shaw |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Sealegs, thanks for info and link, I had no idea, and yes, that version makes more sense and looks better then the new release.
If anyone is wondering if that old version can be done with the equipment supplied with Evolution, I don't believe it can, with the supplies provided in the box. Looking at Bazar de Magia website, the old trick, that is just called, "ROPED", is still available at $5 more, $45.00. This I would call simply a Rope Through Body effect. So at least it can be explained in words. http://www.bazardemagia.com/producto/166......los_rope Really glad that is cleared up, wondered what was going on. Sometimes it is like pulling teeth to get information from these members. Magicians helping magician, why is it so hard. |
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