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caigy Inner circle England 1199 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2016, IAIN wrote: Hi Iain, because Steve Cook is a very clever thinker All of the cards are fairly and naturally displayed, along with a single envelope, which is in full view throughout and from which the revelation is removed. With regards to examining the props, please note my last statement and remember that the full routine is performed right under the spectators noses, with no suspicious moves or actions...Does anyone out there performing this type of effect, or any magic/mentalism/mental magic routine for that matter, always request, or expect, everything be examined by their audience??..If you intend using the props as part of an 'escapology' act, maybe... but for an experiment in ESP, come on...really!! Mike, I always respect and usually agree with most of your views but totally disagree that Symbol is just a reworking of Wayne Dobson's effect. It is an ESP symbol reveal but utilises completely different methods. Prince, it would appear that Tarik Flash still hasn't taken up my challenge and purchased Symbol because he was and still is, a million miles off the mark...Obviously Symbol is not real mind reading or ESP but a trick and therefore magic trick principles and methods are at work but Tark Flash, in his attempts to discredit the effect, it's creators, producers and those who actually own it, from the very start, as well as also trying to big himself up as some kind of 'magical font of knowledge', guessed at Symbol 'using sticky cards or any other envelopes or anything printed on the back of the envelope or any equivoque'...He is WRONG...it DOESN'T !! No doubt after he submits another barrage of wild guesses, or eventually manages to extract the method without actually purchasing the effect, he will declare to all who care to listen, here on the Café, or as part of his 'private' consultations, that he knew the exact method all along!! Karl M. I really recommend that you watch the DVD thoroughly, play around with all the options and handling tips given and approach it in the first instance the way Peter Nardi suggests. I can assure you, having performed this lots of times, no matter which number they choose, every outcome is very strong. Also, as Peter mentions, if you own a die such as the one produced by Promystic, or Osterlind's Whispering Dice, or as I use, Colin Rose's Die-ception, you can really blow their minds by not even asking for the mentally selected number. Please spend a few days going over it, try it out on real people, gauge their reactions and see Symbol for what it is...a very good demonstration of ESP, totally self-contained, which you can carry around with you and perform at the drop of a hat. Paul Mc.
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Karl M Inner circle 1276 Posts |
Just seen some arts and crafts is needed to perfrom the version what is in the trailor
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Peter Nardi Inner circle 2238 Posts |
Hi Guy’s
If you own Symbol please check your Alakazam account as I have just uploaded a new tip video for it. Next week I will be filming a version of the routine ideal for all you guys that would like to perform it strolling, without a table. Best Regards Peter |
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Rob.m Loyal user 263 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2016, Karl M wrote: Have you got the right trick - there is no arts and crafts need for this trick. I have had this trick for a few days now and performed it last night to 4 different tables - now one asked to look at anything and it got great reactions. As I said in a earlier post stop thinking about how it is done and go out and buy it. |
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PRINCE Inner circle 1448 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2016, Rob.m wrote: Lol - can't wait for your review Karl |
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caigy Inner circle England 1199 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2016, Rob.m wrote: Hi Rob.m. Well said! I know what Karl M is referring to but 'arts and craft' is a bit of a stretch plus an alternative is also provided, which includes a very nice handling tip from Titanas. Paul Mc.
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Karl M Inner circle 1276 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2016, Rob.m wrote: I own it and yes there is mate he even shows it how to make it and said Jamie Doors made his one for him the one he did in the trailor version, look at the dvd expanation bit at 12.50 and you'll see it all, its a good trick but want to tell every one the right infromation |
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caigy Inner circle England 1199 Posts |
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In fact there are a few very practical alternatives provided on the DVD, should very basic arts and crafts not be your thing for this one tiny part. Paul Mc.
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mike donoghue Inner circle 1295 Posts |
Hi Caigy,
if it is not a reworking of Wayne's Or Steve's effect off 25 years ago(when I got it) that is fair enough. As I said if it's not multiple outs & the reveal is always in the wallet then it is something different. As I said earlier I will wait until Magicbox get them in & I will probably end up getting itas I love the effect & love variations of effcts that I use. Mike donoghue |
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caigy Inner circle England 1199 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2016, mike donoghue wrote: Hi Mike, it definitely isn't a reworking of any other similar effect As you know, Steve Cook and Wayne Dobson are old friends and have had regular brainstorming sessions over the years but Symbol is a completely different method, which I am sure you will like, especially if dem'd by the guys at Magicbox. Paul Mc.
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mike donoghue Inner circle 1295 Posts |
That's great news Caigy.
Really looking forward to seeing this done by the lads. Mike Donoghue |
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Matthew Crabtree Special user 611 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2016, mike donoghue wrote: I can tell you for a fact that it always comes from the envelope, the only envelope, the envelope that is in view the whole time. There is no spelling, no magicians choice, no six different body loads. Just the six cards on the table and the one envelope. It can be done with out a table in the hands but it took some thinking on my part last night while I was doing my script for this effect. I have it to the point everything is justified.
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Rob.m Loyal user 263 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2016, Karl M wrote: Did you not get a envelope with the trick - there is no need to make one up like Peter has on the dvd - if you are that bothered about the envelope use a wallet ( you will see the one I mean on the dvd ). If you do want to make a envelope like the one peter had on the dvd it takes 5 minutes. |
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ManchurianMan83 Veteran user United Kingdom 305 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2016, Tarik Flash wrote: Tarik,... just go sit back down in the corner! What the heck are you talking about? Firstly, only two reviews have come in so far (hardly a sweeping landslide of information to form an accurate assessment of the quality of anything), you are already jumping up anc down making silly remarks like 'i told you so'...are you 8? Did you have your thumb in front of your nose, wiggling your fingers as you said it? Yes while they have said the method does involve a certain something that's already been discussed, does not mean that it itself is not used in a unique and original way. As someone with your 'vast experience' should be able to understand Tarik, just because something uses a method doesn't mean you can know it. If I heard a card trick uses a DL...or R/S...does that mean I can do it!? not if theres more to it than just the DL or the way the R/S is actually utilised. As for the reviews themselves.. We get two reviews, one from 1KJ who explains a couple of negatives it has as possibe shortcomings, but then ends by saying 'i am hapy with my purchase', and one by matthew crabtree who starts by saying 'i like it'. But I guess it's more important to focus on the negative things they had to say because those align with your way of thinking? You're like a 'bad pyschic'...focusing on the misses and not the hits. That's called 'confirmation bias' Tarik. Look it up and try and avoid doing it. If you don't like something, speak only for yourself and stop putting words into the mouths of other people, like the people who just reviewed it. If they didn't actually like it, let THEM say that! It's not your place. |
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Karl M Inner circle 1276 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2016, Rob.m wrote: I know all that the point I made is if you want to do the trailor version you need to do some making up of stuff, I also didn't say what it was to avoid any exposhure |
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NeilS Inner circle 3225 Posts |
I received Symbol earlier today. It is genuinely clever and also very clean. There is only one prediction taken from the envelope and, as Paul has said on so many occasions, all the outcomes are equally strong.
I see Peter has just added a bonus idea for purchasers on the Alakazam site and this is definitely worth checking out. I think Symbol is a great effect for arousing interest in what you do, is definitely good for close up and small groups. In fact I intend to use it at a forthcoming party and with a fun twist. If you like what you see in the trailer, then Symbol is definitely worth getting. Neil |
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mike donoghue Inner circle 1295 Posts |
Hi Matthew,
that's great that it always comes from the envelope. I never thought there were 6 different body loads or that you had to spell anything or that magicians choice was used. The effect by Wayne that I am refering to never used any of these as well. The more I here about this effect, the more I like it. Mike Donoghue |
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caigy Inner circle England 1199 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2016, Peter Nardi wrote: That is a fantastic tip Peter !!...Will be using that Looking forward to the 'no table' handling. Paul Mc.
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On The Offbeat Loyal user 287 Posts |
This is very clever and something that I think it would have been very fun coming up with the method. I like it a lot. Kind of one of those things where I possibly like the method more than the effect itself.
I will say this though (and this is subjective so therefore only my opinion) that I disagree that there is no best case scenario. There almost always is in these situations and this is no exception. Now I do agree that the other scenarios are very close and are still very fooling, but c'mon, the one shown on the trailer is definitely the best. Which is exactly the reason Peter and Dave chose to show that one. Peter even alludes to it being "perhaps" the cleanest on the tutorial. I would score this 8 out of 10 and I'd buy it again. If you like the demo, you'll be happy with your purchase. |
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caigy Inner circle England 1199 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2016, On The Offbeat wrote: Hi On The Offbeat. This is good feedback about this effect, in that the outcome shown on the trailer is my least favourite but I think all will agree, it is very strong!! My favourite outcome is the one which Peter Nardi has included an extra tip for today and judging by his enthusiasm about it, I think that this may well become his favourite too I still stand firmly by my opinion that all the outcomes are very strong...none are weak! Paul Mc.
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