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lyoma New user 73 Posts |
Sorry, Just un error:
have just received this amazing deck. I have known the principle and the setup, because it uses the same principal as Card Shark version of B****W***D***. I bought it for two reasons: 1) I love Joshua's version of I Dream of Mindreading, and Out of Sight adds a big plus by showing the printed card selected; 2) I was curious to know how to avoid spectator choosing a court card. After watching the instruction DVD, I was disappointed as for the second point: The Joshua's method does not function for Japanese audience (I myself a Japanese). The court cards are not Jacks, Queens, and Kings, but above all, 11, 12, 13 for them. In some other tricks, the magician happens to explain that Jack means 11, and so on, but it is not necessary in Japan, because the court cards are intuitively and naturally 11, 12, 13 before meaning Jack, Queen and King in Japanese culture. So if you tell them to choose a number, they can easily think of 11, 12 or 13. I have to find another method to orient spectator's choice. Thanks for your help. Quote:
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GusGarcia New user 68 Posts |
I'm so upset I didn't pick this up before the price increase
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MitchC Elite user Can't believe I only have 415 Posts |
Big fan of Joshua's work and do several of his routines, and own many of his marketed items.
I WILL be buying Out Of Sight. I wish it were available in Bicycle backs but understand the complexities involved in this special deck. I have a huge investment in Bike gaffs and always use Bike decks. BUT, I will also buy several decks of red Phoenix decks for the occasions I will be doing OOS, having used a normal Phoenix deck during the performances and into Out Of Sight. Can't wait to get this. All the reviews are terrific about the quality of the product. I wear glasses so will need to deal with that aspect and alter as needed. |
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Alex DLF Inner circle 1990 Posts |
Out Of Sight – Joshua Jay
Product description : I love Joshua Jay, I love his magic, I love his magic, I truly love everything about him. Out of Sight is his latest release, which he use in the famous show “Fool Us” with Pen and Teller and guess what ? He fooled them ! The idea behind id is genius, you explain to people you had to show a trick to a blind person. So you had to come up with something unique, which you did. Somebody thinks of a card, never say it out loud. You blind yourself, and without seeing the cards, you manage to pull out the card the spectator is thinking of ! As a climax, the whole deck is now blank ! They can even look at cards, they’re regular. But is it as good as it seems ? Let’s find out ! Price and where to buy it : This is sold at $74.99 and you can find it in Vanishing Inc shop ! What you get : You get a small cardboard box, it really is well made. The deck was made by Cardshark who did an amazing job, the cards are very good and the whole packaging looks great. Inside, you will find the deck of cards, as well as a blindfold. There is also a DVD, which is pretty rare those days, the DVD is amazing, well shot, easy to understand. Overall, you can’t be disappointed by it, yes it is expensive but well worth it in my opinion. From the quality of the gimmicks to the quality of the teaching, everything is perfect. Teaser : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKgpK5V2iTQ The pros and the cons : Here is the core of my review, let's begin with the cons, as I will usually be doing, I prefer to keep the good things for the end. THE CONS : – It’s a little bit expensive but the cards have been printed specially for the trick, so consider it’s a unique deck you’re holding. – This trick is not the usual close up trick you can do, it needs space, time and a special atmosphere. So this is something you may consider doing this at the end of the gig. – It’s a one trick deck, you can only do this routine with this deck. Also, the deck isn’t examinable. THE PROS : – This is really poetic ! It’s not only a trick, it’s a full story which brings the spectator into a wonderful journey, that is a huge plus for me. – As I said, the material is fantastic, you wouldn’t be able to do this with any other deck on the market, it has been specially manufactured for Out of Sight. – The trick is really fooling, people never say out loud their card, but the public still knows which card has been selected. – Compared to another similar trick, this isn’t boring at all, the “coding system” is very very simple and easy to understand from a spectator point of view. – There are multiple phases in this routine, first you guess their card, then you pull it out from the deck (all of that blindfolded) and at end, the kicker, the whole deck is completely blank ! – Thanks to the technology available, you do see a full deck at the end, not half of it or something else, it’s a REAL full deck. – There is a little subtlety which allows you to hand out several cards to the spectators, it’s a real convincer. Overall rating : This is really good, the routine Is well structured and the trick is amazing, it’s something which involves the way magic is perceived by people, I love it ! 4/4 hearts. As for the difficulty level, nothing really hard, you should be able to pick this up really quickly, I would say 2/5 stars. Similar products : I hate card trick from Stephen Bargatze is a similar trick but I feel the procedure for this one is too convoluted. If you liked this review, make sure to check all my other ones on my website : http://lesavisdalexis.wixsite.com/reviews
Get yourself Stamper and MONU, the perfect walkaround packet tricks: https://youtu.be/rwtfeKFeLms & https://youtu.be/yz5yKlI-4w8
Make sure to check my English review Channel! http://www.youtube.com/c/alexisreviews |
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rosariorose9 Inner circle Kreskin guessed that I had 1158 Posts |
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On Jan 13, 2017, GusGarcia wrote: Just received this. Also not happy that I missed it until now, as the price increase is rather dramatic. Given that new price, it would have seemed appropriate to include a blindfold like that which Joshua uses, rather than the obviously cheaper one which is included. That having been said, the deck, the routine, and the instruction by Joshua are absolutely phenomenal. I will definitely be giving this one the practice time which it deserves. |
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pelicantrapper Regular user VA 193 Posts |
Got it. Love it. Well made. Noticed a few mistakes in dialogue on the dvd (when josh is describing what people always ask, “but yeah itd be cool if you showed me the card before it went blank” he describes the wrong effect.
blindfold needs work, but I'm working on that and it will be fine after a few adjustments. Last but not least. Does it bother anyone else that if you were performing this for a blind person as the story suggests, that they would not be able to see the deck turn blank or verify that their card is the only one printed.?! So for a blind person, the trick would only halfway work. As presented. cheers. |
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JOurneyjoe New user 78 Posts |
On the Penn and Teller show, Joshua left the deck with the spectator yet in the review, it is stated that the deck cannot be examined. How did Joshua leave the deck with the spectator if it cannot be examined?
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
Because he swapped it out for a standard blank deck.
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12945 Posts |
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On Dec 12, 2018, pegasus wrote: WHAT? |
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Phatmeat Special user Silver Spring, Maryland 739 Posts |
Josh actually gave away the gimmicked deck to the volunteer. A small sacrifice to make to fool Penn & Teller. Their guess was that there was a deck switch involved and Josh told them that was not the case.
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
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On Dec 13, 2018, Phatmeat wrote: That would’ve been very foolish imo, but who knows? |
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rowdymagi5 Inner circle Virginia 3616 Posts |
Josh did in fact leave the gimmicked deck with the spectator. As stated, he was there to fool Penn and Teller, not anyone else long after the show was over.
I think his deck was specially prepared (more Science Friction than normal), because with my deck, if I handled the cards the way he did, they would separate. If I casually toss mine to the close up pad, they separate. |
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thecromulent Veteran user Brooklyn, NY 388 Posts |
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On Dec 13, 2018, rowdymagi5 wrote: Yes. He explains it in one of his Murphy's lectures. That's exactly what he did. |
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keilunmagic New user 67 Posts |
I have OOS but never used the deck and that came with the package, because I was lucky to see it performed in a lecture. The commercial version is a little more delicate to handle but there is a fix for that. Personally, I already had the two decks needed to make it, so I made one in blue, not with Science Friction, because if you put too much it doesn’t work that well after the first use. You have to redo it over and over. I have found that the rough&smooth spray works better, but it must be applied the opposite way you usually do. Basically you go against all recommendations of R&S and apply multiple heavy layers and put the cards together before drying. What happens is that the R&S acts as a sort of repositionable glue, but it doesn’t feel sticky and you can perform up to 8-10 times without having to reapply it.
However, this makes OOS a very expensive trick, because either way you have to spend quite some money for spray refills. If you go for the SF version, it will cost a fortune... The R&S can be replaced by a certain product you can find in DIY stores, but I won’t share which one, out of respect for Mr Scheck. To reinforce the previous comment, there are some cards that can be inspected and there are ways to psychologically prevent spectators to check the entire deck. |
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Philippe Special user 771 Posts |
I keep emailing Vanish but never receive a reply?
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swiftalfa New user 3 Posts |
Been Performing this trick for a few months now and since I had gotten so much in sight about this deck from this thread wanted to share back with you all some of my performance notes.
1) I have now performed this in several non-english countries (China, Singapore, Germany) as well as US and UK. I have found that in a non English/US setting, I need to ask an important question to get the right volunteer. I start by asking for someone who knows cards. This is not as prevalent outside of the US and with out that selection first you take a risk. 2) I have had to convert to bifocal contact lens. I did that based on reading all the earlier concerns on vision limitation. I hate to admit I changed my contact prescription based on this trick. But it has been a great move. I get many other benefits from this as well. 3) There have been a couple of times where the lighting has impeded my ability to read as I need to be able to. When this occurs, I start with the blind fold on and take it off after I struggle a bit. I do as much work as I can with the blindfold on before I take it off. This actually adds very nicely to the drama and I have had several people tell me that this makes the trick even more entertaining. The sense of frustration and transition makes them think I am going to fail, and then it all works out. I suggest even if you don't need to, you should try this. 4) I had one volunteer start to deal the cards out in a matrix on the table versus a pile. I had to correct this as I went. As soon as I "saw" it with my blindfold on, I dropped my hands down to be in the path of what she was doing. It gave me an excuse to correct her without revealing I could see. It is a nice way to avoid a randomization of the cards should your volunteer do something wrong. 5) This is a one trick wonder. I can not figure out yet how to do more card tricks before or after. I can do some other tricks around it, but would love to hear how others "transition" the audience to/away from the concept of a blank deck. 6) I have found that I can milk this trick for about 10 minutes of entertainment. That allows me to operate it as a one trick wonder. Lot's of story telling and time spent on the props. I picked a blindfold that has significance for my audiences and have spent some time talking that for example. Also takes a ton of heat of the cards. 7) Card management has become a focus. Your volunteer that goes off script with your cards once you have given them to him/her. I put my hands on theirs while they hold the deck to stop this when I "see" it start. 8) I have flashed the blank cards while handling once they are given back to me once. With blind fold on and bad liting, it is tempting to tilt the deck towards your face to help. Better to take off blindfold (see above) than allow the tilt. 9) Once I accidentally put two cards down (pair). I got careless. Won't happen again. Don't let it happen to you. 10) This one is a fooler. People bug me for days after words (I love it) on how I did it, theories, etc. I have a really nice equivoque which is true AND throws them off giving me a ton of space. I find that the way I perform it for some reason people almost always pick a 7 (diamonds or hearts - most likley). I believe it is how I instruct and the person tries to pick a card not near my instruction or example. When this happens (and it does a lot), I say something like - "it really interests me that 7 is what most people pick". Now they are off chasing a force. I have thought about just having a 7 in the deck and seeing if I can make it work. I can not figure out how to cover the 2 different ones though. Anyway - my performance notes. I hope there is something here which helps your performance. |
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lyoma New user 73 Posts |
I have not yet solved my problem with OOS: how to make spectator to think of a spot card. In some cultures, Jacks, Queens, Kings are naturally identified as 11, 12, 13. If you ask to think of any NUMBER, the spectator can choose a Jack, a Queen or a King. Specifying "except court cards" arouses suspicion. Do you have any idea to force a spot card? This is the only problem for me. The trick is otherwise wonderful. Thank you for your help.
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aabc Regular user 153 Posts |
I just say think of a number between 1 and 10. The audience doesn't know it will be part of a card at that point. Then ask them to name a suit and then put them together. They won't remember the restriction you put on the value, especially given that you give a completely free selection of the suit after that.
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lyoma New user 73 Posts |
Thank you, AABC, for your suggestion. Maybe it is the only solution, I'am not sure it is perfect, though.
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briancharles1002 New user SC 51 Posts |
I saw this on YouTube watching through Fool Us videos, and it looks amazing. I will order soon with payday coming. For those that have had it a while and are actively using it, does it hold up well? Is it eaiser/same/more difficult to handle than an ID? Thanks!
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