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Brainbu$ter Veteran user Indianapolis, IN 326 Posts |
Does anybody perform both TOH and also PK Touches in the same show?
They are both outstanding effects which require no props. A huge bonus. I feel reluctant to do it, because of the similarity. Obviously the method is partially the same, but even the presentation is similar. If I first performed TOH, and later on PKT, Would you say the chances are low that someone would deduce, "Well, now I know he can make anybody feel a touch--without touching the person. So that 3 person thing he did is now simple." Or am I being paranoid? |
Brainbu$ter Veteran user Indianapolis, IN 326 Posts |
One problem is Jermay's wording, which I feel could be GREATLY improved.
In TOH, his script reads, "If you just felt me touch you..." I think the only reason anyone would use this phrase is because they've been exposed to PK Touches. More natural would be, "You, the person I just touched, I want you to..." |
C.J. Inner circle There's a lotta rambling in my 2366 Posts |
Given the operation of TOH, you most certainly don't want to introduce the possibility that you can cause people to feel touches without you touching them. TOH relies on the audience seeing you touch a person and therefore understanding what you've done. To me, it doesn't seem compatible with PKT, because once the audience has seen you demonstrate the power of touching-without-touching, the fundamental effect of TOH is called into question.
Your second point, however, is a good one.
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sychou Veteran user 314 Posts |
Don't perform these in the same act,it's suicidal act.
PK touch will tip the method of TOH to the audience. |
bevbevvybev Inner circle UK 2672 Posts |
Agree.
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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
I honestly think this completely depends on how you present PKT.
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dan the man Loyal user 216 Posts |
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On Apr 23, 2016, Brainbu$ter wrote: Wow, I think this is actually very clever! Sort of makes it less ambiguous |
kannon Inner circle BCN 1025 Posts |
Yes I agree - really nice Brainbuster!
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Brainbu$ter Veteran user Indianapolis, IN 326 Posts |
Thanks you all for writing your thoughts (I'm not a mindreader, after all, =).
I have a similar question... A few weeks ago, I performed a stage show for 2 hours straight, and I used TOH (and not PK Touch). A 2 hour stage show is ridiculous (am I right?). However my question is this: I performed TOH as my second effect. Unfortunately, when I said, "If I was correct in naming your thought, stand up now." (another side note-- I have them seated with their eyes closed, then STAND to acknowledge that I was correct in guessing their thought; this is an idea from Jim Callahan, who stressed that having the participants SIT to acknowledge the mindreading, to have them SIT to punctuate that moment is terrible, dramatically speaking. He was talking about Tossed out Deck. This is because you want the finish to be an applause cue--possibly a standing ovation cue--and having several people STAND UP cues the rest of the audience to join them). Another thing I used on "player 2," was, I said, "first you were thinking of Africa, but then you changed your mind because you realized Africa's not a country, so you changed it to Brazil." I came up with this because why WOULDN'T you milk it? You can say anything you want, so I milked it. I believe this looks more impressive that not only you guessed his thought, but you also guessed two thoughts--the thought he changed his mind from. So anyway, I had 3 guys sitting in 3 chairs on stage, with their eyes closed. "If I named your thought, please stand up now." (snap) Players 2 and 3 stood up, but player 1 (to the audience the least impressive) remained seated. So that sucked. Especially since hundreds of people were watching me in the spotlights (my avatar on here now is a snapshot from this show), and that's not exactly dramatic to guess 2 out of 3. I dismissed the 2 guys whose thoughts I correctly guessed, and kept the failure on stage. Then I invited 2 other people on stage to join the failure and I did a book test using the 3 of them, and did the cleanest and most impressive with the failure (just using "failure" as a placeholder, I'm not assigning him any worth as a human being). Incidentally, the "most impressive book test demo of the 3" was done on a guy who couldn't read very well (he said so himself), to the point where he had to consult with one of the other two what the word he was looking at was (receptionist). FINALLY, HERE IS MY QUESTION: I performed TOH after performing Tossed out Deck. Not immediately after it--I think there were several routines between them. I'm sure you can guess my question now. Both method and presentation (in this case) were similar (except in the TOD there was no touching). In TOH I had 3 guys sit in 3 chairs on stage. Then at the end I said, "If I was right, please stand up now." Later, in TOD, I had 10 people sit in 10 chairs, on stage. Then at the end I said, "If I've named your card, will you stand up, please." Maybe this is not relevant to my question, but incidentally, 6 of them stood up. Of course I found this disheartening. Fifteen seconds later, another girl stands up. Not sure what happened with that one. Still, 7 out of 10. Impressive? Yes. Dramatic climax? Nope. A near-miss is said to enhance the mentalist's show. Well, I've never really bought that. Maybe in a sense, like if someone thinks of french fries and your guess is Paris. Maybe that kind of near-miss is spooky, and adds to the show. But guessing 7 out of 10 thought of (peeked at) playing cards ...just sucks, if you're on stage in the spotlight. And that's not to mention the one where I had two guys come to the stage, and I got one of their thought-of words spot-on but got the other one wrong, "This is a person...you're thinking of a person.. it's definitely not a woman, this is a man. See him in front of you. Good. Ben? It's Ben?" He looks at me and says, "No, I was thinking of Kevin ___, the sports player," (or words to that effect). Another kind-of-impressive, bleh moment of dramatic deflation. Anyway, it was definitely the worst show (paid show, to be sure) I've ever done (and the only reason I agreed to perform for 2 hours on stage was because of the enormous fee... I know, I'm a bad man). BACK TO MY QUESTION--- The consensus is to avoid performing TOH and PK Touch in the same show. Will you also offer your thoughts on whether I committed an error in performing TOH and TOD in the same show? -- P.S. After the above dismal show, I performed for a wedding (last Saturday). It was a great success! Everything was perfect. In fact, I was on a roll, in the zone. I was confident and even guessed someone's thought of card for real (it wasn't a planned trick... this happened once before, as well, where I said, "You got a favorite card? You look like a Jack o' Clubs kinda guy. Well I don't want you thinking of the Jack o' Clubs, I want you to see one from in here." (this was when I was using Mind Power Deck on 4 people in a parlor setting--now I no longer use the MPD, because I came up with a way to do nearly the same thing with an ordinary deck, arguably cleaner). And he really WAS thinking of the JC and that really was his favorite card, and he confirmed it, and 30 ppl witnessed it. It was an off-the-cuff comment on my part and a comment I had never said before (though come to think of it, I should probably use it on the next 52 guys I perform for); and it was just destiny or chance that it became a miracle. Point is, the very next show was a great success, and I performed for 6 hours (with about a 20 minute sitting break during the wedding speeches). Of course this 6 hours was close-up, not stage. |
Conner New user 60 Posts |
I would not do TOH and PKT in the same show. Also, I would not do TOH and TOD in the same show.
As an aside, having participants sit or stand to indicate your accuracy is entirely up to you, but if this is only the second routine in your act, a standing ovation seems like an odd goal. |
WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
I would have to say I would not put TOH and TOD in the same show. Only because they are so similar in presentation - several people think of something and you name it, and they sit down or stand up. I could see TOD working as a lead up to TOH, though, if you used it as a sort of way to select the most receptive volunteers and use them for the more direct seeming mind reading. But still, you'd have to script it well to avoid it feeling repetitive.
If you are using the exact method taught in the original PKT booklet then I can see it being an issue with TOH in the same show. However, my method for PKT doesn't really use any of that any more so I would say if you want to do both, change around the presentation/method for PKT.
Christopher
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Chaz93 Inner circle Texas 1754 Posts |
On the first night of my last stage act I opened with a varient of TOD using a different method than the tradition Hoy, one that in rehearsal was much cleaner as it allowed the deck to be handled a bit better. However, in between the time I set the deck down on the stage and then got dressed and came back to perform one of the stage hands (who got a thorough chewing out) swapped the decks without realizing it was a problem. So when it came time to do my reveal I had 3 people on stage in chairs, each thinking of a card, and 5 people in the audience thinking of cards. I got two out of the three on stage, and 1 out of the 5 in the audience. This was NOT a great way to open the show.
So, that method got taken out. The effect stayed in the show, but I ended up using the classic method. But, there are ways to handle it when the hits aren't there. I didn't do it at the time, but after thinking about what I would do if/when that occurs ever again is to ask everyone who's thought of card I didn't get to make a choice. Red or black, which one should we use? Red ok, we will use red then. You sir, would you like to move forward with hearts or diamonds? Diamonds? Then that is what we will use. Ma'am, would you like to use numbers or pictres? Pictures? Alright that leaves us the Jack Queen and King of Diamonds. Finally sir, please think of one of those cards." Then you would just need an ID "Sometimes, you see, it's not about reading your mind as much as it is about controlling thought processes. Let's play with that a little more" Then the show continues as per normal. To the TOH and PK question, that's better suited to be answered downstairs. |
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