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karnage New user Malaysia 40 Posts |
I just went to a magic shop today, and I realized... like, wow, there are actually quite a lot of people who 'do' magic... Maybe just for fun, but I'm thinking that will dampen the reactions I get from my tricks... Just wanna know, is there any good material out there with tricks that fool non-laymen? I'm looking for quick coin tricks, not like coins across/hanging coins etc... just a fast, quick trick that lasts a few seconds.
Cheers, Shan |
Justin R Veteran user 303 Posts |
I would suggest going "old school" and look through Bobo's New Modern Coin Magic. The classics are often neglected.
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Jon Gallagher Veteran user Elmwood, Illinois 395 Posts |
Maybe it's because I'm an old guy, but if someone does something in front of me, and he does it well, I don't care if I KNEW how it was done. I guess I've gotten to the age where I appreciate the work the performer put into it.
I don't worry about trying to fool other magicians. After all, they aren't the ones hiring me to do shows. -Jon |
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
It can get pretty unpleasant when everybody you know who does magic is doing the same few tricks.
This is why the standard advice is to find things in old books and make them special for yourself. Not to worry about quality though... I spent about five years hanging out in Tannen's in NYC. And met perhaps two dozen REALLY GOOD magicians who do coins. I learned from those with similar interests and learned to appreciate the material I found questionable. By the time I got to appreciate things like the 'copenetro' and 'blasted!' I had a pretty good background. It was not until I started looking at OLD books that the ideas started flowing ... for me. Have you read your culture's mythology? Have you compared the stories in your culture to those in western (ancient) civilization? Have you read comic books in the last twenty years? Lots of goodies out there if you are looking. Hint... stop looking for answers in the magic shop
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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sleightofhander Special user 618 Posts |
Good advice, I appreciate it.
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jbohn Regular user Minneapoils, MN 102 Posts |
I would second Jonathan's advice- look beyond "magic". Many of us perform the same effects- how many magicians can you think of right now that perform the Cups and Balls? What makes that effect timeless is that each of them does it a little differently, with his own personal style. If I do an effect just like Blackstone, that would be boring- who wants to watch an (admittedly poor) imitation? But if you do it your way, it becomes fresh.
Jeremiah |
karnage New user Malaysia 40 Posts |
Hrm... I really appreciate this stuff, really good advice... But problem is that some people are just buying some effects just for the sake of learning it... So they'd probably know about false transfers etc. The world of coin magic is relatively limited in terms of sleights (as far as I know, feel free to correct me)as opposed to cards etc.
If I did an effect that required some false transfers, I'm kinda worried that some heckler (who's been buying stuff off the shop) might say "It's in his other hand" or something along those lines. Kinda takes away the magic of it. Any suggestions welcome, and thanks Jonathan, really gave me some ideas Thanks |
Stuart Hooper Special user Mithrandir 759 Posts |
Perhaps a magic shop is not the best place to do magic?
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
In NYC, while the gang was reading Bobo's and coveting Roth's sleights there were others who studied the Buckley books and the Downs material.
Just a couple of us studied the Galloway book on Ramsay. I happened to like the way one holds and displays the coins in his 'Three Coins in the Hat' routine, and spent a good few years holding coins in a fan in my left hand... practicing.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Dan LeFay Inner circle Holland 1371 Posts |
I got some interest from magicians (at least locally) when I stopped doing magician-tricks for them and started treating them like laymen.
Also when magicians perform for each other there seems to be a tendency to do mere tricks, or even worse, show techniques. The best responses I get from them is when I go into performance mode. That is WITH complete presentation. And how do I interpret your remark on the hanging coins? I know hardly any magicians who can do it well apart from the big names, and I know no-one who goes further than a technical demonstration, and no-one who actually performs it! So maybe there's a challenge too!
"Things need not have happened to be true.
Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths, that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot." Neil Gaiman |
Chickens and Beandip New user Canada 83 Posts |
I don't know how many people know the forklift vanish. Really good and it doesn't seem to be in any of the videos I read about.
A lot of people will by one cheap gimmicked trick. So, ordinary coin sleights are the best to go with in my opinion. In card magic the ID is awesome, but that is the first trick laymen buy. late. B) |
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Vanishing a forklift sounds impressive. Does it work with a supermarket Uboat? or a small car in the lot?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
Quote:
On 2004-03-19 17:08, Chickens and Beandip wrote: Can it beat the Fizbin Drop? (oops, I shouldn't have said that, this isn't "Secret Sessions" is it? Sorry)
No trees were killed in the making of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
Quote:
On 2004-03-20 00:42, Dave VanVranken wrote: Only in the world of Zork. Mike
Magic is a vanishing Art.
This must not be Kansas anymore, Toto. Eschew obfuscation. |
Eric Grossman Elite user St. Louis, MO 429 Posts |
Jonathan,
For the small car vanish, I've found that if you stop making loan payments, the car will vanish. I hope this helps. Eric
family/magic/music/life
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Following suggestions in other books such as
Cameron's The Artist Way,(She gives you written assignments and outings to places not related to your art) and ??'s A kick in the seat of the pants and A whack in the side of the head, have helped bring out the nearly normal side of this coin guy. (Actually I would like to be known more as an "Audience Guy) I agree, what is old can be new, as well as take you down interesting paths. As a guy that still reads comics, there are also interesting plots in their. Currently I am reading a volume on Plastic Man from the 40's and 50's. Hmmmm. Harris
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
drlaugh4u@gmail.com music, magic and marvelous toys http://magician.org/member/drlaugh4u |
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