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Hey Guys –

Because of Shin limiting the release of Dream Act the original pricing was going to be $500.00.

Shin teaches so much on this set that $200.00 is truly a minimal cost.

The intent of this project is not only to learn “The Secrets” of his magic but more importantly the details behind
building an act that is obviously attracting a lot of attention from the general public.
You cannot deny the public response to Shin’s “Dream Act”. I don’t know of another Magician
in the history of magic that has had that many hits (15 Million plus) solely on one YouTube post.

I believe $200.00 is peanuts to anyone who recognizes the power of educating themselves toward
understanding not only the gimmicks and moves but more importantly
the structure, thinking, misdirection, etc. of such an act.

If you want to know the “real Secrets” on how to apply this thinking to your own act or maybe to
incorporate parts or theories from Shin’s Dream Act, you cannot miss out on this opportunity…

If applied, this product WILL make you a better magician and performer.

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Well said!
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I wonder how many great books on performance and advancement one could buy instead.

Not for me, I wish you the best of luck with it.
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On May 6, 2016, Paul S Wingham wrote:
In the comedy world; plagerism is frowned upon; in the magic world; it seems like the norm.


Why are you bringing plagiarism into this conversation? Shin Lim is selling his act, this is not stealing.
Jokes and bits are sold all the time. Many people sell them for a living, they're called comedy writers.

$200.00 is ridiculously low IMO. I fully expected this to be $2500.00 or more.
And who says you have to perform the act exactly as is, of course you should make it your own.
Again, it's not just learning tricks. I'm sure there is a ton of valuable info in learning the thinking behind the tricks. No doubt much of the routining and misdirection could be applied to routines you already perform, or spark your imagination to create new and original routines.
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Using a writer to provide jokes for you is not the same thing at all.
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But does he finally admit to using dups? that is the real question
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It's a limited release. How many copies would there be? If it's like 100 copies, even with a $200 price tag, it's definitely a good buy. Rare material is rare for a good reason. I on the fence.
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@Robmonster. I think there is a difference between seeing TV and experiencing it live. I know I would enjoy seeing a well executed performance live. Plus I assume most people will bring their own twists to the plot.


You've got an audience; Do them a favour and perform something original; not someone elses act. As I said eatlier; if it were a comedians act it'd sound obsurd to perform even parts of it; let alone the whole thing. In the comedy world; plagerism is frowned upon; in the magic world; it seems like the norm.


Part of that is due to the fact that it's much, much easier to write some new jokes than it is to come up with new visual effects that seem to defy the laws of physics. Most of us could bang out a 5 minute comedy monologue, if we put our minds to it, in a day or less. Not saying it would be legendary, but it would probably be passable and original. If we could do the same with new magic effects, most of us would. In the meantime, why not learn from the masters? Part of that learning is performance.
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Good point. What's a limited release? 100? 1000? 10000?
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Good point. What's a limited release? 100? 1000? 10000?


Limited to however many people buy it.
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Great potential for sales as there is one born every minute
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The intent of this project is not only to learn “The Secrets” of his magic...


The intent is for him to make money. He got what he needed from this act and now he knows you suckers who are too lazy to do your own work will line up around the block with your money. Also, if this is like his other act he released, you can't do it in a lot of places.
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On May 6, 2016, paw wrote:
You cannot deny the public response to Shin’s “Dream Act”. I don’t know of another Magician
in the history of magic that has had that many hits (15 Million plus) solely on one YouTube post.


According to Google, YouTube was founded on Feb 14th 2005. According to Wikipedia the first recorded performance of magic was in 2700 BCE. That means YouTube has been around for 0.2% of magic's recorded history. The fact that Shin's video has gotten a lot of views, to me, is pretty irrelevant. Gangam Style broke YouTube's view counter - should we start pony dancing during shows?

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Most of us could bang out a 5 minute comedy monologue, if we put our minds to it, in a day or less.


This is an extremely bold assertation. Considering how many people can't even come up with an original script for a 30 second card trick, I'd be amazed if 51% of these forums could create an original 5 minute comedy act in a single day. Keep in mind that's the basic definition of "most". And that comedy act would most likely be crap. This is not criticism to the folks on these forums, but more the fact that original comedy is really hard to do and thinking that just anyone could do it in a day is a deep disrespect to skilled comedians. I don't personally think I could could come up with a decent 5-minute comedy routine in a single day.

Personally, I don't care what Shin is charging for this act. I never liked it. I would say $200 is low, though, if it has decent instruction on the construction of acts. That is the real magic.
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The intent of this project is not only to learn “The Secrets” of his magic...


The intent is for him to make money. He got what he needed from this act and now he knows you suckers who are too lazy to do your own work will line up around the block with your money. Also, if this is like his other act he released, you can't do it in a lot of places.


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On May 6, 2016, paw wrote:
You cannot deny the public response to Shin’s “Dream Act”. I don’t know of another Magician
in the history of magic that has had that many hits (15 Million plus) solely on one YouTube post.


According to Google, YouTube was founded on Feb 14th 2005. According to Wikipedia the first recorded performance of magic was in 2700 BCE. That means YouTube has been around for 0.2% of magic's recorded history. The fact that Shin's video has gotten a lot of views, to me, is pretty irrelevant. Gangam Style broke YouTube's view counter - should we start pony dancing during shows?

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On May 6, 2016, MaxfieldsMagic wrote:
Most of us could bang out a 5 minute comedy monologue, if we put our minds to it, in a day or less.


This is an extremely bold assertation. Considering how many people can't even come up with an original script for a 30 second card trick, I'd be amazed if 51% of these forums could create an original 5 minute comedy act in a single day. Keep in mind that's the basic definition of "most". And that comedy act would most likely be crap. This is not criticism to the folks on these forums, but more the fact that original comedy is really hard to do and thinking that just anyone could do it in a day is a deep disrespect to skilled comedians. I don't personally think I could could come up with a decent 5-minute comedy routine in a single day.

Personally, I don't care what Shin is charging for this act. I never liked it. I would say $200 is low, though, if it has decent instruction on the construction of acts. That is the real magic.


Hear hear
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Does the crystal pyramid come with the Dream Act?
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On May 6, 2016, On The Offbeat wrote:
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On May 6, 2016, Paul S Wingham wrote:
In the comedy world; plagerism is frowned upon; in the magic world; it seems like the norm.


Why are you bringing plagiarism into this conversation? Shin Lim is selling his act, this is not stealing.
Jokes and bits are sold all the time. Many people sell them for a living, they're called comedy writers.

$200.00 is ridiculously low IMO. I fully expected this to be $2500.00 or more.
And who says you have to perform the act exactly as is, of course you should make it your own.
Again, it's not just learning tricks. I'm sure there is a ton of valuable info in learning the thinking behind the tricks. No doubt much of the routining and misdirection could be applied to routines you already perform, or spark your imagination to create new and original routines.


I'm not suggesting shim is doing anything wrong; although I find the concept of selling a trademark act odd to say the least; I'm saying that other Magicians seem very comfortable with learning and performing all / part of someone else's act. As for writing 5 minutes of comedy; being easy which someone else mentioned; I don't think you could be further from the truth and comedy writers write for a person; they don't create a dvd and sell it; resulting in multiple comedians telling the same jokes.
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I don't know. Having watched videos from FISM, he flashed several times. On Fool Us, they only got the good angles. I'm not sure this is valid for real world non-competition acts. Additionally, if I am correct about some of the methods there is another reason why you won't want to do this in the real world.

That being said, his act on fool us was one of the greatest pieces of magic to have ever been shown on TV.
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That being said, his act on fool us was one of the greatest pieces of magic to have ever been shown on TV.


WOW, you haven't seen much magic on TV have you, or you're a huge fan LOL! I thought it was boring, in fact only got half way through and tuned out. Technically it was probably good, but you would have to be a card enthusiast to really like it. Some of the magic shown on European TV is beautiful and elegant. You could also go way back to Copperfield flying on stage and so many other examples of great magic on TV. I wasn't going to comment on this until you made that incredible statement. I guess it comes down to different strokes.
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If the theory behind the act is so important, why not produce something akin to Soma's How to Win at FISM DVD? It allows a professional to continue using the act, yet teach the more valuable concepts behind it.
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