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Bill Hegbli
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Well, if this is anything like the free download Murphy's offered a while back for Lim product, then I would not waste my money. In that free teaser, Lim did not explain the moves at all. He simply showed the riffle, and said it looks like this. Doing it very quickly. No explanation or close up of finger placement. Just did it 2 or 3 times and moved on.

How many people do Albert Goshman's act, it is a lot cheaper then $200 and much more entertaining. There have been a few acts released, and no one does them that I have ever seen or heard of and they are more famous then a on time television show appearance. And a lot cheaper

Add the you have to scrounge around finding all the pieces and to actually perform the whole act.

Finally, how many people perform only private formal close-up magic in a home or parlour room. Then wasn't the whole act silent, no patter.

I seen it on Penn & Teller, did not really think it was all that great. Kind of boring to me. I really could not believe they said they were fooled.
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When Shin Lim lectures, he is very clear that the act is designed for his competition and stage performances where he has control of the angles.

The act is certainly Shin's and fits his persona. Few would be in a position to perform it.

But, there are many amazing moments which certainly catch one's imagination and could be used very effectively in a variety of settings.

I wondered about the pyramid, too! http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&r......pyramids

It would be useful to really know what components are being supplied as opposed to "All gimmicks..supplied".

This way one could decide how much of a premium you are paying for for providing the props and how much for the teaching.

It might make one feel the price is actually reasonable. Or perhaps not.
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When Shin Lim lectures, he is very clear that the act is designed for his competition and stage performances where he has control of the angles.

The act is certainly Shin's and fits his persona. Few would be in a position to perform it.

But, there are many amazing moments which certainly catch one's imagination and could be used very effectively in a variety of settings.

I wondered about the pyramid, too! http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&r......pyramids

It would be useful to really know what components are being supplied as opposed to "All gimmicks..supplied".

This way one could decide how much of a premium you are paying for for providing the props and how much for the teaching.

It might make one feel the price is actually reasonable. Or perhaps not.


You can buy all the gimmicks used in the act for less than $100. So, you are paying a high premium just for the instructional DVD etc.

And remember - from what has been said above, not all the gimmicks used in the act come with this offer. There is no "SSS by Shin Lim" in the package.
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I am confident that no one on here will be purchasing this complete waste of money.
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Well, Pegasus, I think you might be wrong. 3.5 hours of instruction and a peek into the gimmicks for $200 doesn't seem like a bad deal, to me. Maybe I'm just not cool enough to be disdainful of this. Shin Lim is an original, and I think he and folks like him are giving us the future direction of magic. Plus, I just love his use of atmosphere. So if I can get a peek into that vision and process for $200, I think it's well worth it. The price tag is not a big deal for me.

To those denigrating others for "wanting to perform someone else's act," two observations: (1) show me anyone who doesn't copy other people's work, and (2) I cannot imagine someone wanting to perform the act verbatim. Certainly, I would not. No one but Shin Lim is Shin Lim. I think it's much more useful to take concepts and pieces from it to incorporate into your own act in a way that's you, not Shin.

For myself, I like to take things from as many folks as I can and try to make them my own. That's how I learn and grow. A single 15-minute act that I perform contains stuff from Dai Vernon, Mark Wilson, Paul Daniels, Daryl, Larry Jennings, Jeff McBride, Michael Ammar, Harry Anderson, and others. I take what I can from as many people as I can. You can call it "stealing" (or plagiarism) but I call it "learning" and "growing." If I can get one principle or move from someone that makes me a better or different magician, I'll gladly fork over two hundred bucks for the education.

In fact, I think I've just talked myself into buying this routine. If I'm going to defend it, I think I'll put my money where my mouth is and actually find out. Then I can have a real opinion based on fact, rather than merely joining the throngs of speculators. If it's a disappointment, I'll let you know. Smile
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Well, Pegasus, I think you might be wrong. 3.5 hours of instruction and a peek into the gimmicks for $200 doesn't seem like a bad deal, to me. Maybe I'm just not cool enough to be disdainful of this. Shin Lim is an original, and I think he and folks like him are giving us the future direction of magic. Plus, I just love his use of atmosphere. So if I can get a peek into that vision and process for $200, I think it's well worth it. The price tag is not a big deal for me.

To those denigrating others for "wanting to perform someone else's act," two observations: (1) show me anyone who doesn't copy other people's work, and (2) I cannot imagine someone wanting to perform the act verbatim. Certainly, I would not. No one but Shin Lim is Shin Lim. I think it's much more useful to take concepts and pieces from it to incorporate into your own act in a way that's you, not Shin.

For myself, I like to take things from as many folks as I can and try to make them my own. That's how I learn and grow. A single 15-minute act that I perform contains stuff from Dai Vernon, Mark Wilson, Paul Daniels, Daryl, Larry Jennings, Jeff McBride, Michael Ammar, Harry Anderson, and others. I take what I can from as many people as I can. You can call it "stealing" (or plagiarism) but I call it "learning" and "growing." If I can get one principle or move from someone that makes me a better or different magician, I'll gladly fork over two hundred bucks for the education.

In fact, I think I've just talked myself into buying this routine. If I'm going to defend it, I think I'll put my money where my mouth is and actually find out. Then I can have a real opinion based on fact, rather than merely joining the throngs of speculators. If it's a disappointment, I'll let you know. Smile


Let's hope you have the humility to admit you've wasted your money.
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I'm definately going to buy it when I get some more cash together well worth it to find out how a world class act is done
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I'm definately going to buy it when I get some more cash together well worth it to find out how a world class act is done


I knew you'd blow your next benefit's payment on more dross.
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Not your business mate maybe you should stick to threads where youve got positive things to say, is that fair then, Shin Lin you aint! lol
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Why are so many people so salty on these boards? It's like a children's convention sometimes. People need to grow up and learn to live and let live. We are meant to be having fun here. If you aren't having fun, maybe this past-time isn't for you. Take up something else instead. But while not having fun, don't take it out on other people.
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Well said tally-nsa
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Danaruns, don't recall seeing any of your posts before now, but if you perform magic as well as you write then you must be an excellent magician.
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Tally-nsa and other dreamers here, there's only one reason that magicians release an effect, and that's to make money.

If you think that they are being nice guys by "sharing their magic", you're living in a dream world.

When you've been screwed over a number of times by all of these "nice guys" and their deceptive descriptions of what they're releasing, I think that you'll change your mind.

I used to live in that dream world, but not anymore.

Shin Lim has screwed many people with his deceptive descriptions of his effects.

I think it was his "52 Shades of Red" that took a lot of construction by you, the end user, and it had many limitations of how it could be successfully performed.

Many people here were not happy after buying it.

I can see right here that, after you spend your $200, you are going to have to do some assembly yourself. If you are not good at that stuff, kiss your investment goodbye. Same thing with the necessary skills to actually pull it off. Shin Lim has the skills, that's for sure. Maybe you and I don't. I'm not a professional that can spend 8 hours a day practicing. I have limited skills, although I consider myself pretty darn good at the things that I do. So do the people that I perform for.

I can't begin to tell you about all of the things that have been released by "professionals" that have faults that have been vastly improved by others here that had nothing to do with the release of the effect. Or else they have faults that cannot be improved no matter what you do.

Some things are only good on video with a camera set up in the optimal position. But when you have an actual audience, look out!

That's why we're so "salty".

You'll believe me after you've wasted enough money to buy a car.

I trust Pegasus a lot more than I trust Shin Lim.

Think about it.
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So, not even a DVD set? What? Streaming only again. So you don't even get to own the video. Just rent it for a while?

What a rip off, just a box with a smoke device in it, no television performance rights either.

So what exactly is a person receiving for $200?
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Didn't Penn say something about how the act wasn't fully ready as it had some obvious moments? Any idea if they've been fixed?
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So, not even a DVD set? What? Streaming only again. So you don't even get to own the video. Just rent it for a while?

What a rip off, just a box with a smoke device in it, no television performance rights either.

So what exactly is a person receiving for $200?


No smoke device supplied. Very good question Bill.
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So, not even a DVD set? What? Streaming only again. So you don't even get to own the video. Just rent it for a while?

What a rip off, just a box with a smoke device in it, no television performance rights either.

So what exactly is a person receiving for $200?


No smoke device supplied. Very good question Bill.



A smoke gimmick is supplied
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To those denigrating others for "wanting to perform someone else's act," two observations: (1) show me anyone who doesn't copy other people's work, and (2) I cannot imagine someone wanting to perform the act verbatim. Certainly, I would not. No one but Shin Lim is Shin Lim. I think it's much more useful to take concepts and pieces from it to incorporate into your own act in a way that's you, not Shin.


Oh sure, lots of people use other peoples tricks. I certainly do. However, none of the routines have been seen worldwide by millions of people on YouTube and prime time TV.
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So, not even a DVD set? What? Streaming only again. So you don't even get to own the video. Just rent it for a while?

What a rip off, just a box with a smoke device in it, no television performance rights either.

So what exactly is a person receiving for $200?


No smoke device supplied. Very good question Bill.



A smoke gimmick is supplied


From MoM.

The gimmicks used to create smoke from your mat and the second smoke from mouth are not included. You will need your own:
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Yeah but you still get one smoke device, the others needed are supposed to be cheap and easy to get, hence the reason they were nor included, still expensive though as most of the routine is pretty easy, only the dupes are hard to guess how he got them (imo)
but I'm pretty sure he uses them.
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