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On May 9, 2016, catweazle wrote:
Yeah but you still get one smoke device, the others needed are supposed to be cheap and easy to get, hence the reason they were nor included, still expensive though as most of the routine is pretty easy, only the dupes are hard to guess how he got them (imo)
but I'm pretty sure he uses them.


He does not use dupes. Buy his "Topit Revolution" to find out how he does it.
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On May 9, 2016, catweazle wrote:
Yeah but you still get one smoke device, the others needed are supposed to be cheap and easy to get, hence the reason they were nor included, still expensive though as most of the routine is pretty easy, only the dupes are hard to guess how he got them (imo)
but I'm pretty sure he uses them.


He does not use dupes. Buy his "Topit Revolution" to find out how he does it.


Where you can find the "Topit Revolution" ??
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Where you can find the "Topit Revolution" ??


http://www.murphysmagic.com/Product.aspx?id=55575

but if that is included in shin's dvd package it makes it good value, I'm still not totally convinced it is though.
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Yes that's the one I've found but I believe it's not included with this package right??
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I'm 99% sure there is a dup involved, I don't know the exact method (but I can guess ) but I seem to remember someone posting a screenshot of the before and after signature showing the differences, whtch implies the volunteer was in on it and signed a card earlier.
That being said I have no issues with a performer using a duplicate or sudo duplicate signature in a performance or tv show appearance when your job is deception it's all fair game. but using a stooge / dup at fism I think is getting close to crossing a line. I also think people thinking of buying this act should know what they're getting.
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So, not even a DVD set? What? Streaming only again. So you don't even get to own the video. Just rent it for a while?

What a rip off, just a box with a smoke device in it, no television performance rights either.

So what exactly is a person receiving for $200?

I prefer the streaming method. More and more computers are being sold without DVD drives now. I test drove a car last week without a CD player in it.
This isn't a rip off - it reduces production costs and if you've got access to the Internet, you have access to the instruction. That's just the direction in which technology is moving.
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That being said, his act on fool us was one of the greatest pieces of magic to have ever been shown on TV.


WOW, you haven't seen much magic on TV have you, or you're a huge fan LOL! I thought it was boring, in fact only got half way through and tuned out. Technically it was probably good, but you would have to be a card enthusiast to really like it. Some of the magic shown on European TV is beautiful and elegant. You could also go way back to Copperfield flying on stage and so many other examples of great magic on TV. I wasn't going to comment on this until you made that incredible statement. I guess it comes down to different strokes.

The second half is, in my opinion, where this really picked up.
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I'm 99% sure there is a dup involved, I don't know the exact method (but I can guess ) but I seem to remember someone posting a screenshot of the before and after signature showing the differences, whtch implies the volunteer was in on it and signed a card earlier.
That being said I have no issues with a performer using a duplicate or sudo duplicate signature in a performance or tv show appearance when your job is deception it's all fair game. but using a stooge / dup at fism I think is getting close to crossing a line. I also think people thinking of buying this act should know what they're getting.


the bag to mouth transpo has to be a dupe, because its the only way!! (its pretty clear how he makes the change happen there, the bag could be totally sealed and still be able to do it;))
the behind the back transpo could be the topit revo, but I'm not so sure tbh, I still think he uses a dupe there too.
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but using a stooge / dup at fism I think is getting close to crossing a line.


My wife was Shin Lim's spectator at FISM. There was no stooging or prep. But, hey, we shouldn't be speculating on methods.

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Yes we should, its part of the rules for latest and greatest Smile
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but using a stooge / dup at fism I think is getting close to crossing a line.


My wife was Shin Lim's spectator at FISM. There was no stooging or prep. But, hey, we shouldn't be speculating on methods.

Mike

you correct I'm assuming he only has one method for this and for all I know he has another method to be used when in competition. but then again he would only require one of the two signatures to be a duplicate so perhaps your wife was the one that wasn't stooged and it was the other volunteer who pre-signed a card.
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On May 9, 2016, ASCII wrote:
you correct I'm assuming he only has one method for this and for all I know he has another method to be used when in competition. but then again he would only require one of the two signatures to be a duplicate so perhaps your wife was the one that wasn't stooged and it was the other volunteer who pre-signed a card.


You raise an interesting question: which version of the Dream Act are people buying? If it the FISM version? Or the Penn and Teller version? I would want to know first before buying. I would be very unhappy to spend $200 and find out you also need a stooge in order to get the act to work correctly.
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He does not use dupes. Buy his "Topit Revolution" to find out how he does it.


FYI - I've just been proved wrong via Personal Messages on this comment by me. So, apologies for an incorrect remark.
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perhaps your wife was the one that wasn't stooged and it was the other volunteer who pre-signed a card.


My wife was in the critical (second card selected) role.

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perhaps your wife was the one that wasn't stooged and it was the other volunteer who pre-signed a card.


My wife was in the critical (second card selected) role.

Mike


The first spectator signs the card live and has not signed any cards before the performance and is not a stooge, neither is the second and they have not signed anything before either.
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The first spectator signs the card live and has not signed any cards before the performance and is not a stooge, neither is the second and they have not signed anything before either.


Correct - certainly for the FISM competition.

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perhaps your wife was the one that wasn't stooged and it was the other volunteer who pre-signed a card.


My wife was in the critical (second card selected) role.

Mike


The first spectator signs the card live and has not signed any cards before the performance and is not a stooge, neither is the second and they have not signed anything before either.


So, this is confirmation that this is the FISM version of the act, using no stooges.

Is there any video footage of the FISM version of this act?
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I am curious about the smoke from mouth, could that be bought somewhere else? Thanks in advance!
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Interesting that he decided to just use initials then...
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